senior ladies w/ too high or too low PCS scores

[smarts1]

Surprised Lepisto has been brought up here. Her errors in the jumping shouldn't translate to lower PCS scores. She has fine skating skills, choreography, and interpretation. Her Olympic FS was divine.

The big problem I have artistically with Lepisto is her crazy windmilly arms. GOSH I HATE THEM! They just ruin her performance.

And either way, her PCS score for her free skates should be nowhere near the 60 she gets. 55 is more like what she should be getting. She should get like 2s for P/E.

[gkelly]

She should get like 2s for P/E.

Go watch some skaters who actually get 2s.

For one thing, skaters at that level often have significant issues with posture and extension compared to world-class skaters, and that's a big part of the P/E mark.

[pinky166]

I feel like when Laura is doubling a lot of jumps, her performance is not as good, she seems to get frustrated and nervous and doesn't present as much or pay as much attention to the music as she does when she is hitting her triples, therefore I think her PCS should be significantly lower when she makes mistakes.

[gingercrush]

Oh bah even when doubling Lepisto's blade work is superb. Should could take a dump on ice and her skating is still superior to nearly everyone else.

[all_empty]

I think Laura Lepisto is a solid skater, but her PCS marks are always a half point higher than they should be.

Agree that Cynthia Phaneuf and Akiko Suzuki are a little undermarked.

Adelina Sotnikova has a wide range on her scores, they really should be in the high 5's or low 6s, but 7s are out of line.

As for skaters with great technique but poor performance skills - Zhengxin Guo, that insane jumper in the late 90s and early 2000s, comes to mind.

[Aussie Willy]

She should get like 2s for P/E.

I give 2s to Preliminary and Elementary level skaters.

Lepisto, regardless of the jumps, does everything else that is required of her and deserves the PCS she gets.

[barbk]

I give 2s to Preliminary and Elementary level skaters.

Lepisto, regardless of the jumps, does everything else that is required of her and deserves the PCS she gets.

But it is an interesting argument that she can do some of that because she doesn't bother to do many of the harder triples. I'd like to see a system where PCS scores are capped based on your tech score, as in not being able to earn PCS scores that are larger than your tech score.

[pinky166]

As for skaters with great technique but poor performance skills - Zhengxin Guo, that insane jumper in the late 90s and early 2000s, comes to mind.

Kevin Reynolds, Samuel Contesti, and Ryan Bradley all come to mind when I think of talented jumpers with poor skating skills, all of them are long legged and don't really get into their knees which lessens the impact of their skating.

[El Rey]

All of them! Cause none of the judges know how to score! I want to see 8.25 for skating skills and at the same time 5.00 for transitions!

[Jenna]

That's rare, unfortunately because of the infamous judging "corridor." Some judges are notorious, however, for really utilizing the entire range of PCS (i.e. Joe Inman and his 2's for transitions at nationals). I don't really have a problem with that, though. If a program had no transitions, subtracting a point or two from a 7.50 SS program is not right.

[RumbleFish]

But it is an interesting argument that she can do some of that because she doesn't bother to do many of the harder triples. I'd like to see a system where PCS scores are capped based on your tech score, as in not being able to earn PCS scores that are larger than your tech score.

She does have a triple-triple combination and the triple lutz. I don't think her jump layout is easy at all.

[briancoogaert]

while i do think kim's technique is near flawless. technique should be in the TES score not PCS

But it's not : Skating Skill is about skating technique. And everything is linked : you can't do intricate choreo without good skating skills.

[PUNKPRINCESS]

Oh bah even when doubling Lepisto's blade work is superb. Should could take a dump on ice and her skating is still superior to nearly everyone else.

I agree, but figure skating comps are about more than just skating around the rink and taking a dump now and then, which is what she is prone to doing.

[Aussie Willy]

All of them! Cause none of the judges know how to score! I want to see 8.25 for skating skills and at the same time 5.00 for transitions!

Well seeing you know so much about it I would suggest volunteering (you don't get paid) to become a judge. Because we need people like you who can educate the rest of us!

[smarts1]

Go watch some skaters who actually get 2s.

For one thing, skaters at that level often have significant issues with posture and extension compared to world-class skaters, and that's a big part of the P/E mark.

I don't literally mean a 2, but it bugs me that often she ends up with a technical score over 50 for the craptastic performances she gives and then gets a 60 for her PCS mark.

Plus landing your jumps is a huge component of the P/E mark and Lepisto just doesn't land the number of triples she should be landing at this level consistenly in her free skates. How many did she do in this year's Worlds FS that got her a bronze medal? Oh yeah, only 3. As Johnny Weir said, there are novice skaters in the US who can do a triple toe-triple toe and a triple lutz and yet will never have the success Lepisto has.

[MR-FAN]

Way too high: Leonova.
Way too low: Gedevanishvilli.

[Aussie Willy]

Plus landing your jumps is a huge component of the P/E mark and Lepisto just doesn't land the number of triples she should be landing at this level consistenly in her free skates. How many did she do in this year's Worlds FS that got her a bronze medal? Oh yeah, only 3. As Johnny Weir said, there are novice skaters in the US who can do a triple toe-triple toe and a triple lutz and yet will never have the success Lepisto has.

The P/E mark is to do with the overall skating of the program, not what kinds of jumps are done during it. If the skater has a program full of character, emotion and extremly well done for their level of ability, but only doing double jumps, doesn't necessarily mean they should be slammed in the P/E component.

[RunnersHigh]

My answer is "It's all judges' fault not skaters'."

[pinky166]

I don't literally mean a 2, but it bugs me that often she ends up with a technical score over 50 for the craptastic performances she gives and then gets a 60 for her PCS mark.

Plus landing your jumps is a huge component of the P/E mark and Lepisto just doesn't land the number of triples she should be landing at this level consistenly in her free skates. How many did she do in this year's Worlds FS that got her a bronze medal? Oh yeah, only 3. As Johnny Weir said, there are novice skaters in the US who can do a triple toe-triple toe and a triple lutz and yet will never have the success Lepisto has.

Well, to be fair, Yuna Kim and Miki Ando went 1 and 2 at the GPF and they each only landed 4 triples in the FS, but at least they each did two 3lz in those programs, which can't be said of Lepisto. Alissa Czisny won the US title with 3 triples in the FS, and Sasha Cohen and Mao Asada won Olympic silver with 4 clean triples in the FS.

[Marco]

Plus landing your jumps is a huge component of the P/E mark and Lepisto just doesn't land the number of triples she should be landing at this level consistenly in her free skates. How many did she do in this year's Worlds FS that got her a bronze medal? Oh yeah, only 3. As Johnny Weir said, there are novice skaters in the US who can do a triple toe-triple toe and a triple lutz and yet will never have the success Lepisto has.

Which jumps did Lepisto not land cleanly on one foot at Worlds?