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    senior ladies w/ too high or too low PCS scores

    I've been watching a lot of videos of ladies that i think are getting too high PCS or too low PCS

    too low: yukari nakano and akiko suzuki

    too high: miki ando and rachel flatt - yes, they're great technicians but PCS?

    your thoughts or other skaters you think were cheated on scores?

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    also i think yuna kim is a great skater and definitely a top skater but her scores were soo inflated at the Olympics
    and even though suguri is getting kind of old for the GP, her scores dont deserve to be that low

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    Overrated: definitely Ando, bombing Kostner, Zhang and Flatt

    Underrated: Nagasu, Wagner, Phaneuf, Lepisto

    For how they were skating last season, I think Kim, Asada and Rochette were fairly marked on PCS.

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    A week before, I also would've listed Ando and Kostner as over-marked skaters.
    After watching Asada score 57 in PCS at Japan Open with a mistake-filled and lifeless crap skate, I've changed my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RumbleFish View Post
    A week before, I also would've listed Ando and Kostner as over-marked skaters.
    After watching Asada score 57 in PCS at Japan Open with a mistake-filled and lifeless crap skate, I've changed my mind.
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    Too high: Kostner when she bombs, Lepisto most of the time esp. when she doubles most of her jumps, Rochette when she makes lots of mistakes, Asada for last seasons programs

    Too low: Suzuki, Nagasu before the Olympics

    Flatt and Ando have never gotten PCS that were that high so I think they are marked fairly for what they do. Wagner can be messy, Czisny is slow and cautious, and Zhang has lots of very visible issues so I actually think they are marked fairly for PCS as well.

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    I think that the PC scores are fairly bogus for fast-rising skaters. It annoys the heck out of me when a skater's PC scores jump by a point or more per category between the SP and the LP after an unheralded skater delivers a dynamite SP. The failure to significantly vary the marks based on the individual components is still another problem.

    Lepisto's PC scores often seem too high, but I think that is more a defect in the definition of the components, and an overall failure of NJS technical scores to appropriate reward technical difficulty and being able to do more than a couple kinds of triples.

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    PCS is such a crapshoot at times. But I have realized something. For skaters one likes, the PCS will seem fair or undermarked. For skaters one doesn't like that much, the PCS often feel inflated at times.

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    Overmarked: Lepisto by far, all the top skaters when they bomb (ie Rochette , Kostner, Kim, Asada)

    Undermarked: Suzuki, Phaneuf, Wagner, Nakano (before she retired. )

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    Um, wouldn't their scores being too high or low depend on the quality of each individual performance? It's reasonable to speculate whether the PCS scores were too high or low for a particular skater giving a particular performance at a particular event. It's somewhat less reasonable to generalize that someone's PCS scores are always too high or too low.
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    You have to break the PCS down to the specific aspects with regards to whether they are too high.

    Ando for my mind gets marked way to high for choreography and interpretation. She just does not use her music. But her marks for skating skills are fair.

    Someone like Kostner could be mark too high for performance and execution when she skaters poorly, but she uses every ounce of the music and is spot on with it.
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    Surprised Lepisto has been brought up here. Her errors in the jumping shouldn't translate to lower PCS scores. She has fine skating skills, choreography, and interpretation. Her Olympic FS was divine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    Surprised Lepisto has been brought up here. Her errors in the jumping shouldn't translate to lower PCS scores. She has fine skating skills, choreography, and interpretation. Her Olympic FS was divine.
    I would agree that her skating skills, transitions, and choreography are always very good. However, the difference in her performance quality and commitment to interpretation is much better when she's having an "on" skate like she did at the Olympics - I've never seen her so excited and energetic. The fact that PCS marks cannot be varied very drastically is probably a contributing factor to this, though.

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    I see your point. That theory could probably be applied to even the best of skaters, though (i.e. Kim at Worlds).

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    Oh, for sure. Kim's PCS at Worlds was way too high for P/E in my opinion.

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    I think Nagasu was way underscored at the Olympics.

    To me, Yu-Na's PCS scores could never be too high. Her technique is perfection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangerine_dream View Post
    I think Nagasu was way underscored at the Olympics.

    To me, Yu-Na's PCS scores could never be too high. Her technique is perfection.
    I agree with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangerine_dream View Post
    To me, Yu-Na's PCS scores could never be too high. Her technique is perfection.
    Not referring to any particular skater...

    It would be possible for a skater to have perfect technique and very little transitions, choreography, or interpretation, or even to be weak in some aspects of performance/execution.

    Should that be the case, I would hope that the judges would award high scores for Skating Skills and lower, perhaps much lower, for the other components, as appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangerine_dream View Post
    I think Nagasu was way underscored at the Olympics.

    To me, Yu-Na's PCS scores could never be too high. Her technique is perfection.
    I thought Mirai deserved the bronze in Vancouver with scores similar to those of Asada and Rochette. I thought she should have beaten both Asada and Rochette in the FS as she was clean and they both made some sizable errors, and edged out Rochette for the bronze overall where they did land the same jumps in the SP. Mao would have edged out Mirai overall because of the SP but the scores would have been much closer, I know it was a big deal she did 2 3a in her FS but it still doesn't make up for the fact that she only landed 4 clean triples in that FS which was also choreographically empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangerine_dream View Post
    To me, Yu-Na's PCS scores could never be too high. Her technique is perfection.
    while i do think kim's technique is near flawless. technique should be in the TES score not PCS

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