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    Here's an article about why you shouldn't rinse before. I couldn't find the one that included the laundry detergent information.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/garden/21fix.html

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    I've never used a dishwasher My family always does them by hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhenya271 View Post
    I think it also includes information about how most people tend to use way more laundry detergent than we really need to, that even the predetermined measured line on the cup is even too much.
    I think this is definitely true. My mom always told me to use as little detergent and fabric softener as I could because otherwise they build up on clothes and make them dingy and coat the inside of the washer. I looked at her laundry and other people's laundry and figured she was right, so I always used far less than the recommended amount.

    And it seems Mom was, once again, right: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...214910714.html

    I had noticed that my dishes weren't getting clean and I blamed our dishwasher, but then I picked up a Consumer Reports that rated dishwasher detergents and they put the Cascade Complete I had been using a good ways down the list. I went "Huh," and switched to their top recommendation--Finish All-in-One Powerball tabs. And by gosh, I do think the dishes really are cleaner.
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    I'll try the Finish Powerballs (although the name makes me giggle!) after I use up this crappy bottle of Cascade. I have to shake the bottle before I use it now, as the contents keep separating (sp?) and I get a watery mix with clumps of goo if I don't.

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    I use a generic gel from my local supermarket chain, and it seems to work OK, though I do get the occasional not-clean dish. I have one glass in particular that always gets a chalky film on its bottom (and didn't used to). Mostly I think I load the dishwasher poorly ...

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    It seems like for the average family size of 5 or less, hand-washing is the better way to go. My family rarely used the dishwasher when I was living at home, and I've never used one once I moved out on my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    It seems like for the average family size of 5 or less, hand-washing is the better way to go. My family rarely used the dishwasher when I was living at home, and I've never used one once I moved out on my own.
    I believe it's actually more water-efficient to use the dishwasher.

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009...ch-greener.php
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    That's what I heard but you have to use electricity as well.

    In fact, that type of questions is always my dilemma. e.g.
    If I use paper towel in the public restrooms after I wash my hands I consume paper. If I use a handdryer I consume electricity. Which is worse?

    I opt for paper towels and handdrying where possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    I believe it's actually more water-efficient to use the dishwasher.
    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    That's what I heard but you have to use electricity as well.
    Unless you use cold water and hand pump your water from a well, hand washing also uses electricity. And according to most reports I have seen, it uses more since dishwashers can more efficiently use smaller amounts of water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    I think this is definitely true. My mom always told me to use as little detergent and fabric softener as I could because otherwise they build up on clothes and make them dingy and coat the inside of the washer. I looked at her laundry and other people's laundry and figured she was right, so I always used far less than the recommended amount.
    I use VERY little laundry detergent (I use the Tide 2x concentrated stuff anyway) and my clothes still come out clean, so it's win/win as far as I'm concerned. My clothes smell less strongly of detergent, and I can buy less of it!

    My bf used my detergent once and he tossed in a whole capful and I was like, "Dear God why does it smell so strongly of Tide?" I didn't criticize him tooo much, since the load he did included my comforter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    I believe it's actually more water-efficient to use the dishwasher.

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009...ch-greener.php
    It completely depends on the situation. As I've mentioned before, my roommate and I don't have a full set of anything so you bet it's more efficient to wash one bowl, one fork, and one cup by hand than to use the dishwasher. When we're cooking, we still only fill up our very small sink (and maybe the counter), which is about half the size of our dishwasher. To run a full dishwasher, we'd have to buy a lot more stuff, and we just don't find it necessary.

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    Yeah. Just look at the way people cook and you see the difference. For example, in a BBQ for a US household, there's usually a decent-looking container to carry the cooked food with, but many households will transfer that food to a China dish or something. And then there's always the extra salad forks and dessert plates and what not.

    So there's twice as much dishes to wash when you cook and dine that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    Yeah. Just look at the way people cook and you see the difference. For example, in a BBQ for a US household, there's usually a decent-looking container to carry the cooked food with, but many households will transfer that food to a China dish or something. And then there's always the extra salad forks and dessert plates and what not.

    So there's twice as much dishes to wash when you cook and dine that way.
    I might put food in a nice serving dish for company. But when it's just my husband and I, the pots go on the table. How do you know the people you have seen doing that are not the same as me?

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    I know that's how it's done, PDilemma. Some of my family do it that way. Since this is a global forum, I had no choice but add the "US" back in the post.

    But let's set aside how you generate dishes as an issue. So let's say I'm slowly gathering dishes in the dishwasher over the week and then I run the dishwasher. Then there's the choice of washing the several bowls and and forks by hand every day. Who saves more water or energy?

    ETA: Seriously, I don't know, hence my question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    I know that's how it's done, PDilemma. Some of my family do it that way. Since this is a global forum, I had no choice but add the "US" back in the post.

    But let's set aside how you generate dishes as an issue. So let's say I'm slowly gathering dishes in the dishwasher over the week and then I run the dishwasher. Then there's the choice of washing the several bowls and and forks by hand every day. Who saves more water or energy?

    It all depends on how much water you use. I hand wash our dishes, as most of the time it's just 2 of us. And I use very little water, and if it's just 2 glasses and a plate, I leave them.

    If you use a dishwasher and accumulate them over a few days, it probably is similar. But it's got to be a water efficient dishwasher or water saver setting.
    Same with washing by hand, you don't fill the sink up for 3 glasses and 2 plates and cutlery. It's not which is better, it is which is the most efficient use of the water.

    And how we wash dishes isn't probably the biggest water waster. It's do you let the tap run when you brush your teeth, do you always need hot water to wash your hands or will lukewarm and soap do the job? Same with getting a glass of cold water........put a water in the fridge don't let the tap run. yada yada.......

    Anyway, I digress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat c View Post
    But it's got to be a water efficient dishwasher or water saver setting.
    Thanks.

    another question: What does the normal cycle do that the "water miser" cycle doesn't?

    Sorry, but I've lost the manual long time ago.

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    Our dishwasher has 4 settings - hubby likes to use the regular wash (which takes an hour and 43 minutes to cycle???) and I use the 30 minute quick wash. When he leaves the room, I switch the cycle over to quick wash when he isn't looking...

    We have a Bosch, which is super efficient, and we only run it when the washer is full, about every other day. I bring my lunch to work in reusable containers, and I made sure to get dishwasher-safe ones as I hate to wash salad oil off of plastic by hand. We buy our detergent in bulk, at our local warehouse store, and until Cascade changed the formula, could have it last a few months before we needed to buy more.

    Now I'm halfway through the bottle, can't wait to use it up so I can get something that actually works. I'm too stubborn to throw it out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita18 View Post
    My bf used my detergent once and he tossed in a whole capful and I was like, "Dear God why does it smell so strongly of Tide?" I didn't criticize him tooo much, since the load he did included my comforter.
    My husband is of the "more cleaner makes it cleaner" school of thought, which is why I don't let him touch the detergent if I can help it. I think if you can smell the detergent, you've used too much. If you can smell it, it's still in there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anita18 View Post
    It completely depends on the situation. As I've mentioned before, my roommate and I don't have a full set of anything so you bet it's more efficient to wash one bowl, one fork, and one cup by hand than to use the dishwasher. When we're cooking, we still only fill up our very small sink (and maybe the counter), which is about half the size of our dishwasher. To run a full dishwasher, we'd have to buy a lot more stuff, and we just don't find it necessary.
    Well, sure, but for a family of five? I have a family of four and it's a very rare day that the dishwasher isn't completely full after dinner. When it isn't, I wait until the breakfast stuff goes in there (and it usually won't all fit) and run it in the morning instead. And I don't use special serving dishes, special forks or anything like that, either.

    The article I linked goes into quite a bit of detail about why it is almost (but not entirely) impossible to use less water washing by hand.
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    This is just one of the reasons I love this board! Great information. I too have noticed my dishes are not as clean as they used to be. I have used Cascade for as long as I can remember. Now I understand!

    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    I had noticed that my dishes weren't getting clean and I blamed our dishwasher, but then I picked up a Consumer Reports that rated dishwasher detergents and they put the Cascade Complete I had been using a good ways down the list. I went "Huh," and switched to their top recommendation--Finish All-in-One Powerball tabs. And by gosh, I do think the dishes really are cleaner.
    I can't wait until my bottle of Cascade is gone. I will try the Finish. Have never heard of it.

    And whoever above mentioned that Cascade also separates now when it didn't used to: Too True!

    I am done with Cascade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by loopey View Post
    This is just one of the reasons I love this board! Great information. I too have noticed my dishes are not as clean as they used to be. I have used Cascade for as long as I can remember. Now I understand!


    I can't wait until my bottle of Cascade is gone. I will try the Finish. Have never heard of it.
    Finish used to be called Electrosol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmeck View Post
    I'll try the Finish Powerballs (although the name makes me giggle!) after I use up this crappy bottle of Cascade. I have to shake the bottle before I use it now, as the contents keep separating (sp?) and I get a watery mix with clumps of goo if I don't.
    Those Powerballs are terrible. I still have some left, but use them only if I run out of the good Cascade things with the liquid and powder in them. The Powerballs leave everything looking icky, with lots of streaks. The Cascade things are the best thing ever.

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