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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayar View Post
    You mean this:

    2. A person who is or has been ineligible may apply for reinstatement as a Skater only if such person had not violated Rule 102, paragraph 2 (ii) and (iii).


    2. Definition of an ineligible person
    A person becomes ineligible to participate in ISU activities and competitions by:
    i) skating or officiating without the prior express authorization of the respective Member, in any capacity in a Skating competition, exhibition or tour in any of the sport disciplines of the ISU;
    ii) skating or officiating in a competition conducted by Officials (Referees, Technical Controllers, Technical Specialists, Judges, Starters, Competitors Stewards, etc.) not on the approved list of the respective Member or on the ISU approved list;
    iii) skating or officiating in an event not sanctioned by a Member and/or the ISU; or
    iv) otherwise violating this Rule 102.



    ***He skated in a non-approved event, as per iii. Reinstatement is not a possibility.
    The event in question was Kings on Ice. It didn't need a sanction because it wasn't a competition. Only things that involve judging require sanctions, otherwise they don't apply.

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    The event in question was Kings on Ice. It didn't need a sanction because it wasn't a competition.
    Right. The rule he violated was para (i) "skating or officiating without the prior express authorization...". (Actually, he did request and get the authorization from his federation, but they withdrew it after the ISU started pressuring them.)

    From ISU Communication 1622:
    "Based on evidence presented the Council has concluded that Mr. Evgeny Plushenko breached the ISU eligibility rule 102, paragraph 2, i) of the ISU General Regulations and as a consequence has become ineligible under paragraph 7 a) of that rule."

    If the ISU wanted to argue the Kings shows violated (iii), then they'd also have to kick out Weir & Joubert, and they obviously haven't.

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    Weir and Joubert didn't withdraw from World's citing injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayar View Post
    ***He skated in a non-approved event, as per iii. Reinstatement is not a possibility.
    Sure, of course he did, why argue...
    by the way, ISU's opinion is that he violated rule i). And FYI KOI is not unsactioned event.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Weir and Joubert didn't withdraw from World's citing injury.
    ISU in their communication say the violation was rule i, regardless of why or what he skipped, he didnt have permission for skating but the show was aprooved. If KOI was unsactioned (iii) Joub and Weir and all eligible skaters would have problem as well, regardless of what they did in worlds.
    Last edited by senorita; 09-08-2010 at 10:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BittyBug View Post
    It's a mini mullet.
    A few hair plugs and a little longer in the front...and a little shorter in the back and he could go from mullet to something very contemporary:


    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1280&bih=909

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock2 View Post
    A few hair plugs and a little longer in the front...and a little shorter in the back and he could go from mullet to something very contemporary:
    This is the best post by far

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorita View Post
    Sure, of course he did, why argue...
    by the way, ISU's opinion is that he violated rule i). And FYI KOI is not unsactioned event.


    ISU in their communication say the violation was rule i, regardless of why or what he skipped, he didnt have permission for skating but the show was aprooved. If KOI was unsactioned (iii) Joub and Weir and all eligible skaters would have problem as well, regardless of what they did in worlds.
    It's the ISU's opinion that matters at this point. And besides, if he really wanted to skate in eligible competitions, he would have dealt with this via an appeal. But he didn't. An Olympic Gold and two silvers isn't a bad career. Take the mullet and run...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayar View Post
    It's the ISU's opinion that matters at this point. And besides, if he really wanted to skate in eligible competitions, he would have dealt with this via an appeal. But he didn't. An Olympic Gold and two silvers isn't a bad career. Take the mullet and run...
    What you meant is that, because of violating some ISU rule, Plushenko's amateur status as a singles skater can never be reinstated? Has he ever taken any drugs at earlier competitions? It is illegal to make him retire in this way, IMHO! I don't think he will be banned from participating in 2014 Olympics to be held in his home country if his body can still stand up to the hard intensive training in the coming years. Nevertheless, I highly doubt its possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angietang View Post
    What you meant is that, because of violating some ISU rule, Plushenko's amateur status as a singles skater can never be reinstated? Has he ever taken any drugs at earlier competitions? It is illegal to make him retire in this way, IMHO! I don't think he will be banned from participating in 2014 Olympics to be held in his home country if his body can still stand up to the hard intensive training in the coming years. Nevertheless, I highly doubt its possibility.

    LOL. No, it isn't illegal to make him ineligible. He knew the rules, and he went outside of them. Just because the Olys are in his home country doesn't mean he should be allowed back in. Should Yags be allowed in? What about Brian Boitano? Drugs has nothing to do with it.

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    Just delurking to comment on this

    Ok Jayar, we get it. If the decision where in your hands, Plush will NEVER EVER put a skate on a competition rink again

    I must tell you Cinquanta has a different opinion:



    ISU ready to consider restoration the amateur status of Plushenko

    President of the International Skating Union (ISU) Ottavio Chinkvanta said that ISU is ready to consider the possibility of restoring amateur status for Evgeni Plushenko.

    "Sportsman had 21 days to appeal, but he did not do that. If now the National Federation guarantee for him, then we can take exceptional decision about restoration."



    source in Russian:
    http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-s.../72819071.html



    As you can see, The ISU is playing the "nice guy" role here, speaking about an "exceptional decision" even when it's not necessary because, as senorita has stated, Plush can actually ask for restoration whenever he wants, he broke the "i" part of the rule, not "ii" or "iii". The ISU will decide if he get it back of course, and, according to Cinquanta, seems like he and his National Federation just need to ask for it.


    And yes, the retired skaters you sarcastically mentioned could try to comeback if it's their desire, are not permanently banned and meet the requirements, wich for age and health reasons, I'm not sure will be possible (not everyone can do a "Plushenko" and make a succesful comeback after retirement )

    And "Two silvers and one gold" are certainly "not a bad career", it's actually an awesome and exceptional one, he's in the company of a very few in the same conditions in FS history.

    Plush is not banned for life, get over it, he's "indefinitely" ineligible, which means he could have his status restored by one, two years...... or by tomorrow.

    As you said: "It's the ISU's opinion that matters at this point"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayar View Post
    LOL. No, it isn't illegal to make him ineligible. He knew the rules, and he went outside of them. Just because the Olys are in his home country doesn't mean he should be allowed back in. Should Yags be allowed in? What about Brian Boitano? Drugs has nothing to do with it.
    It is legal to make him ineligible for some time, but it is absolutely ILLEGAL to make him retire in this WAY! Are you one of the ISU officials laying down such rules? You'd better not LAUGH TOO ERALY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by angietang View Post
    You'd better not LAUGH TOO ERALY!
    Is this Esta, or perhaps one of her kids?
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    Quote Originally Posted by angietang View Post
    It is legal to make him ineligible for some time, but it is absolutely ILLEGAL to make him retire in this WAY! Are you one of the ISU officials laying down such rules? You'd better not LAUGH TOO ERALY!

    Nobody is making him retire. He can skate as long as he wants. Just not in ISU competitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayar View Post
    Nobody is making him retire. He can skate as long as he wants. Just not in ISU competitions.
    You are kidding me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorita View Post
    If KOI was unsactioned (iii) Joub and Weir and all eligible skaters would have problem as well, regardless of what they did in worlds.
    Maybe Joubert and Weir got permission from their federations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Skatefan View Post
    Maybe Joubert and Weir got permission from their federations?
    Joubert went to World's. He won the bronze. Weir didn't compete, but I don't remember what the story there was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angietang View Post
    You are kidding me...
    No, and I'm kind of done trying to argue with a wall.

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    What you meant is that, because of violating some ISU rule, Plushenko's amateur status as a singles skater can never be reinstated?
    No. whoever said that misunderstood the rule or the circumstances. Yes, Plushenko can apply and be considered for reinstatement.

    Should Yags be allowed in? What about Brian Boitano?
    Yags and Boitano have both violated papagraph (ii) by skating in unsanctioned competitions, so no, they cannot apply for reinstatement. Just to complete the set, nor can Urmanov or Kulik apply for reinstatement.

    Joubert went to World's. He won the bronze. Weir didn't compete, but I don't remember what the story there was.
    Weir just said he wasn't prepared for Worlds and didn't want to go (not very different from Plushenko, really). All 3 skaters requested and received permission to do the Kings shows. The only difference is that the ISU was pissed at Plushenko and pressured the Russians into withdrawing the permission. I guess they simply didn't care about Weir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayar View Post
    No, and I'm kind of done trying to argue with a wall.
    To argue with a wall? Are you an idiot?

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