Plushenko will skate in ISU competition on October 2nd, 2010

[allezfred]

Rod Stewart anyone?
http://www.hearya.com/wp-content/upl...rodstewart.jpg

OMG! Plushenko is Rod Stewart! PML!

[Polymer Bob]

Can you tell us more things about this? JO is a sanctioned event and it´s a competition for eligible ans ineligible skaters (that´s why Plushenko can compete). He should send a letter to ISU asking¨" do you allow me to skate in JO", or what should he do, because everybody is speculating that ISU might not like his participation to this event but nobody explains why.

Evgeni no longer needs permission from the ISU to do anything. They have taken his eligibility. If they feel his participation in future ISU competitions is to their advantage, and Evgeni feels it is to his advantage, they can negotiate that later.

[let`s talk]

He really just skated the same program over and over since 2004

Don't worry. Under the new judging system they all skate the same program over and over hunting for points. They just change costumes, music and get busy on the ice. Plush at least sent kisses while dancing tango, a sort of character.

[ciocio]

Don't worry. Under the new judging system they all skate the same program over and over hunting for points. They just change costumes, music and get busy on the ice. Plush at least sent kisses while dancing tango, a sort of character.

Precisely! Wasn´t 2004 the first year when they used the new scoring system? Plush skates the same program until 2004 because he is older than other skaters but the youngsters still have plenty of time to use their programs over and over again.
Sorry guys, but Plush did it first!. They should add this to his Wikipedia page!

[Ozzisk8tr]

Are you still here?

[let`s talk]

Are you still here?

Who? Plush?

[ciocio]

Are you still here?

Who, me?

[LadyNit]

This is the first: a Plush thread that I'm totally enjoying.

[Jayar]

Can you tell us more things about this? JO is a sanctioned event and it´s a competition for eligible ans ineligible skaters (that´s why Plushenko can compete). He should send a letter to ISU asking¨" do you allow me to skate in JO", or what should he do, because everybody is speculating that ISU might not like his participation to this event but nobody explains why.

He lost his eligibility. He is permitted to skate in the Japan Open as a non-eligible, but he can't reinstate. There was a window of opportunity for him to appeal, and he did not. In June, Plushy skated in non-sanctioned shows which led to his loss of eligibility. He had 21 days to appeal, and he did not, so he is now ineligible. Allowing him to reinstate opens a (possibly good) can of worms in that they would have to afford others the same opportunity. This does NOT affect his ability to skate in the Japan Open.

[caseyedwards]

I believe it has been posted that the rule that Plushenko lost his eligibilty over allows for a request for reinstatement. Appealing to the CAS the original ISU decision was not considered the best course of action. If you lost the CAS appeal and made the ISU spend the money made it less likely that you could get eligibility back if you would go back and request it.

[Susan M]

He is permitted to skate in the Japan Open as a non-eligible, but he can't reinstate. There was a window of opportunity for him to appeal, and he did not.

I think you are confusing two different things. He basically waived his right to appeal to the CAS the ISU's decision to make him ineligible. He still has a right to request reinstatement, just like any other ineligible person who hasn't violated the nonsanctioned competition rule.

I would think the ISU would be thrilled at Plushenko's participation in the Japan Open, as he helps sell tickets and make money for the sponsoring federation. The whole reason the ISU made these rules was to keep star skaters working for them even after their eligible careers.

[senorita]

He lost his eligibility. He is permitted to skate in the Japan Open as a non-eligible, but he can't reinstate. There was a window of opportunity for him to appeal, and he did not. In June, Plushy skated in non-sanctioned shows which led to his loss of eligibility. He had 21 days to appeal, and he did not, so he is now ineligible. Allowing him to reinstate opens a (possibly good) can of worms in that they would have to afford others the same opportunity. This does NOT affect his ability to skate in the Japan Open.

it is not that I read such misinformatrion here, it is that I read the same exact in the examiner blog, the guy there had not made any research, he took something like the above from a forum probably and made it an article.

[ciocio]

it is not that I read such misinformatrion here, it is that I read the same exact in the examiner blog, the guy there had not made any research, he took something like the above from a forum probably and made it an article.

Senorita, you should put the eligibility rule as signature!!!!!

[Dragonlady]

They say it does not mean his ineligibility is not valid anymore. But you know how to read between the lines. He will skate in ISU competition Japan Open on October 2nd for team Europe together with Lepisto, Meier and Brezina.

An "open" competition means that both eligible and ineligible skaters may compete. This has nothing to do with Plushenko's ineligibility for the GP events and other ISU events. He's still out.

And for the record, Jeff Buttle is still eligible to compete in ISU events. He has done nothing that would cause him to lose eligibility, even though he has retired from competition. Unlike Plushenko, he could, if he so desired, return to ISU competition. Not that I think he's going to do so, but someone further up the thread said he's ineligble.

[Jayar]

I think you are confusing two different things. He basically waived his right to appeal to the CAS the ISU's decision to make him ineligible. He still has a right to request reinstatement, just like any other ineligible person who hasn't violated the nonsanctioned competition rule.

I would think the ISU would be thrilled at Plushenko's participation in the Japan Open, as he helps sell tickets and make money for the sponsoring federation. The whole reason the ISU made these rules was to keep star skaters working for them even after their eligible careers.

I'm trying to figure out who is on glue here... Plushenko has been deemed ineligible by the ISU. He waived his right to appeal. So, he is ineligible. He can ask for reinstatement all day long, but it's not just going to happen because he is Plushenko. If the ISU agrees to that, then they have to let all ineligibles have the opportunity to do the same. Why is that so difficult to understand?

[Jayar]

it is not that I read such misinformatrion here, it is that I read the same exact in the examiner blog, the guy there had not made any research, he took something like the above from a forum probably and made it an article.

Have you heard of google? Go out there and type in 'Plushenko ineligible', and you will find plenty of articles explaining the same thing. Back at you.

[senorita]

Have you heard of google? Go out there and type in 'Plushenko ineligible', and you will find plenty of articles explaining the same thing. Back at you.

Yes I know google, have you heard of being polite ?

You irony fails me, sorry, I said that articles including examiner say that he is forever banned and bash him for not making appeal in CaS, clearly they have not read the rules.

but it's not just going to happen because he is Plushenko. If the ISU agrees to that, then they have to let all ineligibles have the opportunity to do the same. Why is that so difficult to understand?

oh and I see you are one of them.

[Jayar]

Yes I know google, have you heard of being polite ?

You irony fails me, sorry, I said that articles including examiner say that he is forever banned and bash him for not making appeal in CaS, clearly they have not read the rules.




oh and I see you are one of them.

If you want polite, go to www.ilovepuppies.com. This is FSU, and I'm as rude as they come.

But if you insist that Plushy still has an opportunity to be eligible, then please explain the rules for all of us... because I have seen nothing that would support what you keep insisting is true.

[senorita]

For all of us...

the rest here we have posted it and analysed it some months ago. Since you have still questions, ISU rule 103 paragraph 2, I guess you know google.

[Jayar]

the rest here we have posted it and analysed it some months ago. Since you have still questions, ISU rule 103 paragraph 2, I guess you know google.

You mean this:

2. A person who is or has been ineligible may apply for reinstatement as a Skater only if such person had not violated Rule 102, paragraph 2 (ii) and (iii).


2. Definition of an ineligible person
A person becomes ineligible to participate in ISU activities and competitions by:
i) skating or officiating without the prior express authorization of the respective Member, in any capacity in a Skating competition, exhibition or tour in any of the sport disciplines of the ISU;
ii) skating or officiating in a competition conducted by Officials (Referees, Technical Controllers, Technical Specialists, Judges, Starters, Competitors Stewards, etc.) not on the approved list of the respective Member or on the ISU approved list;
iii) skating or officiating in an event not sanctioned by a Member and/or the ISU; or
iv) otherwise violating this Rule 102.



***He skated in a non-approved event, as per iii. Reinstatement is not a possibility.