Jumps within spins and Recentering Jumps?

[Jozet]

Okay, last question (hopefully for a while.)

My Skater Grrrl is doing a Death Drop into a cannonball. She was then changing to a front sit.

However, then I showed her a video of Dick Button doing a forward sit, to back UR spin, to a sort of fly/jump forward sit. (It's in first 10 seconds.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2lsyY0lQ9w

My daughter saw this, misinterpreted it a bit, but then taught herself how to do a death drop, cannonball, and then a sort of jump/fly into a forward sit. She and coach are still not sure how they feel about it.

However, the big question is - if you could imagine such a move during a spin - would it be considered "re-centering the spin". The same for a camel with 2+ revs to a sort of "fly" mid spin into a back camel.

Long question short, what is the criteria for "recentering". I know that with spinning in the opposite direction, some skaters don't get the level for stepping out too big and the spin in opposite direction actually is seen as being a second spin.

Does anyone have any good guideline on what's too much movement across ice when it comes to jumps/flies within a spin?

Thanks again, and I promise this is the last question for a while.

[Aussie Willy]

I was told you don't want to move too far outside the body space from where you start spinning. So if it is kept within the area of the skater's body, that should be okay.

Also when skaters do big step overs across the ice from back to forward spins is a no-no. The change needs to be kept on the same spot as the first spin. I have seen kids who are great spinners but do that big step over, thus I deduct for it.

[Doubletoe]

A technical specialist once told me that in a spin with change of foot, the spinning centers should not be more than shoulder width apart. I don't know if that applies to spins that have a jumped change of foot, since I was not able to find a specific clarification on it.

[luenatic]

Jozet, I understand what your question really is. I just want to point out that the term 're-centering' is not the right term to use in this question.

Your question really is about whether the change of foot spin (with a jump in between) will be counted as 2 individual spins if the distance between the spin center of each foot is far apart. This is related to skating element. The caller will make that decision.

"Recentering' in spin actually means after the skater started the spin, then the spin travelled across the ice, eventually, the skater was able to control the travelling and 're-centered' the spin in 1 spot. This happens often in lower level skater's layback spin. This affects the quality of spin, and it is GOE related.

[gkelly]

My understanding is that "recentering" refers to an error in changing foot during a spin with a change of foot, not to traveling and then centering on one foot.

[Jozet]

This is why there needs to be a remedial course in terminology geared toward parents who think they know what they are talking about, but aren't quite sure.

Any other votes on what "re-centering" is? I'd like to at least pretend like I know what I'm talking about.

[Hedwig]

Thanks again, and I promise this is the last question for a while.

I have no idea whatsover about an answer to your question - but don't be shy in asking more questions! No one is forced to answer but we are all learning by questions and answers from others!