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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    When are they expecting the first miner to be out?
    The rescue operation will start sometime between 10pm and and midnight Chile time (one hour ahead of the US east cost). I don't know if that means they start to lower the rescue specialists and paramedics then, or whether the men will come up then. In the first case, it would then be another few hours before the men come up because the rescue specialists have to first do test runs, teach the men how to use the capsule, do medical exams, and possibly change the rescue order based on the medical results.

    By the way, there have been reports that the wife of the cheating miner has announced that she plans to present him with divorce papers when he gets out Wonder if he's been told

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    The rescue is starting NOW and is live on Univision.
    Last edited by dbny; 10-13-2010 at 01:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbny View Post
    The rescue is starting NOW and is live on Univision.

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    I'm watching online but I can't hear since I'm on a call at work. Are they just starting to put the capsule down? Are any of the rescuers going down?
    "The Devil is joining in, and that's never a good sign." Phil Liggett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Kitty View Post
    I'm watching online but I can't hear since I'm on a call at work. Are they just starting to put the capsule down? Are any of the rescuers going down?
    No, you've got some time They are just starting the dry runs of the capsule. They still have to do trials with the rescue specialists and medical evaluations. It will probably be at least another 90 minutes before a miner comes up.

    ETA: Hmm, it seems they may be proceeding faster than announced and may not do an extra dry run. In any case, it will be at least an hour.

    The best source of English language coverage is the BBC. There was even a blow-up the other day between the BBC contingency and other networks over the size of the BBC contingency, how they are hogging space and resources.

    The Chilean feeds are the following. I'm having trouble getting a steady feed because their servers are stressed.

    http://www.latercera.com --includes a cool updating graphic indicating how many miners are still in the mine, at the field hospital, in the helicopter, etc.

    http://www.terra.cl

    http://www.24horas.cl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Kitty View Post
    I'm watching online but I can't hear since I'm on a call at work. Are they just starting to put the capsule down? Are any of the rescuers going down?
    The capsule is still up.

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    I'm on MSNBC feed, thought capsule went back down, some of them are looking down the hole. It's stunningly silent, just a very few talking very quietly, very creepy. OK, now a big cheer, might be fore the families who have just arrived off a bus with tons of balloons. Bizarre. There is not much precedent, certainly not for being stuck over two months.

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    I was wrong, that must have been another test.

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    The tentative order list has been released. The rescue specialists and paramedics may change it. Here it is. I've added some tidbits drawn mainly from Chilean news sites

    Group 1: Experienced, skilled, and in good health

    Florencio Avalos--assistant foreman, brother also in mine

    Mario Sepulveda--spokesperson for the miners who will likely parlay this into a broadcasting gig

    Juan Illanes

    Group 1 1/2: Bolivian miner

    Carlos Mamani--bumped up in the order because the Bolivian president is stopping by to use this as a political booster. I wonder how openly the family will display their annoyance at him. The family had criticized the Bolivian president for ignoring the accident and recently said that they will not return to Bolivia despite the president promising them employment. Now that he's about to get rescued, the president is suddenly so concerned that he's traveling to the mine

    The most interesting thing is that Bolivia and Chile have long been enemies, so this is a diplomatic moment as well.

    Group 2: Health problems, physical and/or mental

    Jimmy Sanchez--youngest miner, only 19 Reportedly the most mentally affected by the collapse because he is afraid of the dark and claustrophic, which makes for an awfully weird career choice. Will be sedated. What an awful thing to go through at that age

    Osmán Araya
    José Ojeda

    Claudio Yañez--got engaged from the mine
    Mario Gómez--oldest miner. He's been mining for 51 years (started at 12, now 63). The New York Times had something on him. He's lost several fingers in prior mining accidents and was once stranded on a boat and spent 11 days without food or a fresh water supply

    Alex Vega--cutie
    Jorge Galleguillos
    Edison Peña
    Carlos Barrios
    Víctor Zamora
    --either he or Victor Segovia cursed out the rescue workers and treated them badly in general, leading the rescue team to impose some "punishments" on all the miners. One of the two Victor's also suffered from alcohol withdrawal and admitted to showing up for work that day drunk. I have a bad feeling they may relapse after this ordeal

    Víctor Segovia--see above
    Daniel Herrera --cursed out the team of psychologists, leading the psychologist to deny the men the right to watch TV/movies that day

    By the way, the fact that some of the men cursed out the rescue workers and psychologists does not indicate anything about them as people in normal situations. NASA predicted it would happen and said that their displacing anger on people outside was healthy because it prevents them from displacing it on the other miners.

    Group 3: Everyone else

    Omar Reygadas
    Esteban Rojas
    --proposed to his partner of 25(!!) years from the mine. They are registered civil partners but were never married by the church. She said that she had brought up the topic many times and he always said he wasn't ready. Talk about fear of commitment!

    Pablo Rojas
    Darío Segovia
    Yonni Barrios
    --exposed adulterer. The crowd reaction is sure to be something

    Samuel Ávalos
    Carlos Bugueño
    José Henríquez
    Renán Ávalos
    --brother of first miner. What an emotional rollercoaster for that family to have two kids trapped!

    Claudio Acuña
    Franklin Lobos
    --former Olympic soccer/football player! Soccer players back then didn't enjoy the wealth they do now, and he was probably amateur since he was in the Olympics. A lot of soccer players from around the world have sent him stuff.

    Richard Villarroel--plans to give up mining and become a baker. I wonder if he was the one who requested knitting needles

    Juan Aguilar
    Raúl Bustos
    --profiled here
    Pedro Cortez
    Ariel Ticona
    --father of the new baby. Why didn't they put him earlier so he can see his new daughter?
    Luis Urzúa--shift foreman
    Last edited by Gazpacho; 10-13-2010 at 06:37 AM.

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    Yikes, the test run seems to have run into some hiccups.

    The BBC just panned in on the Avalos family (first miner up). They are absolutely under siege by cameras and look like they hate it. The mother was trying to shield her face from the cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazpacho View Post
    Yikes, the test run seems to have run into some hiccups.

    The BBC just panned in on the Avalos family (first miner up). They are absolutely under siege by cameras and look like they hate it. The mother was trying to shield her face from the cameras.
    Univision left to show a Mexico soccer game () but they said they had made some adjustments to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazpacho View Post
    Jimmy Sanchez--youngest miner, only 19 Reportedly the most mentally affected by the collapse because he is afraid of the dark and claustrophic, which makes for an awfully weird career choice. Will be sedated. What an awful thing to go through at that age
    Here's something Jimmy wrote to his sister in law, Roxana: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_758700.html

    In the Spanish version, Roxana is quoted as saying that the first thing Jimmy wants to do is be with his wife and daughter.

    The ABC stream just showed a clip of the Chilean president and First Lady with the family members.

    ETA:

    Florencio Avalos
    He was also the camera guy for most of the videos the miners made.

    Mario Sepulveda
    He was an electrician by trade.

    The Bolivian miner was actually not employed by the mine itself but by a contractor.

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    The first rescue worker is going down. He was told by the guy with him (the Chilean President?) to go with God, good luck and bring back the miners with him.

    That thing looks tiny. I get panic attacks just looking at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    The Bolivian miner was actually not employed by the mine itself but by a contractor.
    Where did you read this? Do you know who else worked for the contractor? A Spanish language newspaper said that there were serious conflicts between a handful of men who worked for the contractor and the rest of the group. The contractor group said they were treated like second-class citizens. The psychologists had to intervene.

    OMG the rescue worker is going down! He looked really nervous!

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    to the rescue worker who is going down. Despite all the cautions they're taking, that is a brave person.
    "The Devil is joining in, and that's never a good sign." Phil Liggett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazpacho View Post
    Where did you read this? Do you know who else worked for the contractor? A Spanish language newspaper said that there were serious conflicts between a handful of men who worked for the contractor and the rest of the group. The contractor group said they were treated like second-class citizens. The psychologists had to intervene.

    OMG the rescue worker is going down! He looked really nervous!
    From this article in a Chilean Newspaper. It's in Spanish, but I translated the relevant part.

    Carlos Mamani was in his fifth day of work in this mine when the slide ocurred on 5 August. He worked operating heavy machinery and that day conducted a frontal loader. He was not a direct employee of the mine but of a contract firm.
    http://www.emol.com/noticias/naciona...noticia=440913

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    My God, going through half a mile of rock in that thing !!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    The first rescue worker is going down. He was told by the guy with him (the Chilean President?) to go with God, good luck and bring back the miners with him.

    That thing looks tiny. I get panic attacks just looking at it.
    I'm pretty okay with tight spaces but egads, that's small.

    The rescuer looks nervous, but hopefully everybody's support will strengthen him!

    Is that the president there? Maybe he's thinking that he shouldn't freak out in front of the president.

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    msnbc is interviewing the miners who were rescued in Pennsylvania in 2002.

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    YAY the MSNBC feed is showing the rescuer emerging from the roof of the mine from a video feed from down there. He's out of the capsule now, the miners are clapping.

    So close now!

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