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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    For some reason I imagined them being trapped in a very very small space. Glad to know it hasn't been that bad, not to say it has been easy.
    They had originally feared that they had been trapped in a small space, but when they reached them, they found out it was much larger than feared. That's why they've found it impossible to provide any sort of meaningful lighting throughout--too much space to light.

    The worst part for me would be the heat and humidity!

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    They've broken through to them. Hopefully only a few more days before they're all freed.
    3539 and counting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milanessa View Post
    They've broken through to them. Hopefully only a few more days before they're all freed.
    Wow. I can't imagine the feeling of anticipation they must be feeling now.

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    How much physical adjustments will need to be made? I assume there will be acute photosensitivity? and gravity adjustments?

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    Thank God!!

    My Dad was a Nickel Miner for close to 30 years, so understandably this story has been followed very, very closely in this house. Both the Miners and the Families have been constantly in our thoughts and prayers.

    I've never been happier to run upstairs w/news as I was about twenty minutes ago when that message came into my Inbox.

    Yes, there's going to be some major adjustments and problems to deal w/, but at least they're ALIVE!!!

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    Rescue shaft reaches trapped miners

    I wonder how they'll decide the order out? Oldest to youngest? Lightest to heaviest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelskates View Post
    Rescue shaft reaches trapped miners

    I wonder how they'll decide the order out? Oldest to youngest? Lightest to heaviest?
    On the news, they mentioned something about the person they select being emotionally capable to handle a potential failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    On the news, they mentioned something about the person they select being emotionally capable to handle a potential failure.
    Oh my goodness. Don't know if it would be better to be the first and potentially not make it out or be one of the remaining miners who could be faced with the potential of failure

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    They were speaking about whether or not to delay coming out in order to line the shaft so that the walls don't collapse. Imagine the agony of that decision.

    Also, I believe they are sending out the weakest first, but I could see that sending first a person emotionally capable to handle a potential failure would be a good idea.

    Their eyes will be covered with some very special sunglasses because they have not seen daylight in two months.

    I fear if any of them are too big for the shaft, haven't seen ay speculation of that though, just my fear.

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    I wonder if they will send a test dummy up and down first.

    Two rescue specialists will go down first and determine the order.

    The first few a) have specific technical training; b) are in good physical health and would be able to withstand delays halfway up; and c) as oleada mentioned, emotionally capable of handling a problem--a major understatement considering that the problem could mean death! If I were the miner that the rescue workers put first on the list, I would be pretty upset. But then again, someone has to be first. Chilean news sources said this group would probably have 4-6 miners.

    I read that the miner has to be very thin and in such good physical condition that he would be able to rappel all the way back down if the capsule gets stuck. (The capsule allows a miner to open the bottom and rappel down.) Perhaps they'll have one of the rescue workers go up and down first?

    Then the older miners and/or those in poor health, either physically or mentally. There is a miner who, based on the most recent video, will have a very tight fit, as he is quite overweight, having regained the weight he lost. Prior to the collapse, nine miners would have been too obese to fit, but they were given personal trainers, and now they should all fit. But I'm concerned about an older or physically weak miner having a heart attack or passing out en route. The miners haven't slept the last few days because of the anticipation, and I imagine it will be difficult to sleep over the next few days. The excitement could also induce a heart attack.

    Then the rest of the healthy ones, both mentally and physically. I don't know how they will determine the order--perhaps a lottery? The last miner will be the shift foreman who has maintained his leadership role the whole time.

    All of them will be wearing sunglasses because sudden intense sunlight may seriously damage their eyes. Immediately upon rescue, they will be taken to a health clinic set up at the mine and then to a hospital.

    Finally, after all the men are up, the two rescue workers will come up. So the last one out of the mine will not be a miner but a rescue worker.

    They are continuing the other drills in case the capsule gets stuck or something else happens to block the hole. I can't imagine the heartbreak if something happens and they have to wait for the other drills. One of them is really slow but reliable--the rescue workers really covered all their bases by having two backups. It would be done around Christmas, which is why, at the beginning, they said it might be until Christmas.
    Last edited by Gazpacho; 10-10-2010 at 04:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    On the news, they mentioned something about the person they select being emotionally capable to handle a potential failure.


    I pray they have no setbacks. Amazing story!

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    I thought I read that this successful drill was Plan B, and that Plans A and C have gone adrift, maybe they got them back in line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lacey View Post
    I thought I read that this successful drill was Plan B, and that Plans A and C have gone adrift, maybe they got them back in line?
    Yes, this drill was Plan B. Plans A and C haven't gone adrift; they simply haven't gotten deep enough. Plan A in particular is really slow and wouldn't get there until Christmas, hence the rescue workers telling the miners and their families to be prepared to wait until Christmas.

    The rescue workers will continue to drill them. In case something happens with the Plan B hole, they would have not one but two backups. They've got all their bases covered.

    If the rescue is successful, as it most likely will be, the miners and rescue workers will surely enter every management textbook in the world--the miners for their organization and teamwork and the rescue team for their organization and multi-pronged approach.

    The government has offered the miners 6 months of follow-up counseling but admitted that the mental health stigma is great among their community, so many of them are unlikely to take advantage of the offer

    I have the feeling that the trauma of the rescue, coupled with the stresses of sudden celebrity and riches (surely someone will try to take advantage of them and go after their money ), will break some of them. A few of the miners were alcoholics--two of them admitted to showing up for work that day drunk--and may likely turn again to alcohol And several of them have developed depression and other mental conditions underground. The rescue workers have provided them with daily remote therapy and medication, but who knows if they miners will continue that?

    As with all traumatic experiences, some of the men will grow stronger while others will suffer the effects for the rest of their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazpacho View Post
    ...surely someone will try to take advantage of them and go after their money ...
    I hope they have people they trust who can help them manage their money. I think they deserve every cent they get, if the choose to take the opportunities given to them, or seek them out.

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    Two rescue specialists will go down first and determine the order.
    The article I read said the miners themselves would determine the order, but that they were sending down two specialists (it had said Drs) first.

    I don't understand the sending people DOWN- especially since they are worried the shaft will collapse and they won't be able to get people up. I know rescuers put their life on the line every single rescue- but this just seems like too much of a risk, to send anyone extra down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    The article I read said the miners themselves would determine the order, but that they were sending down two specialists (it had said Drs) first.

    I don't understand the sending people DOWN- especially since they are worried the shaft will collapse and they won't be able to get people up. I know rescuers put their life on the line every single rescue- but this just seems like too much of a risk, to send anyone extra down there.
    At the same time, if there's a failure you kinda don't want the guy who's already been down there for two months stuck in the tunnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    The article I read said the miners themselves would determine the order, but that they were sending down two specialists (it had said Drs) first.

    I don't understand the sending people DOWN- especially since they are worried the shaft will collapse and they won't be able to get people up. I know rescuers put their life on the line every single rescue- but this just seems like too much of a risk, to send anyone extra down there.
    The rescue plans may be undergoing last minute adjustments, so there is conflicting information floating around. This recent article says that the rescue team has drafted a preliminary list, and the two rescue workers that go down (paramedics from the Navy) will have the final say. The miners were arguing among each other about the order and couldn't agree on a list.

    Of course they're going to send people down first! The rescue workers/paramedics have advanced training in conducting rescues and would be able to rappel down the rope if needed. I wouldn't be surprised if they would also be able to climb all the way up the rope.

    In addition, the rescue workers will conduct health tests to determine whether any of the men need extra assistance or additional medical supplies. They will also teach the men about the capsule--how to use the oxygen supply, open the bottom to rappel down, etc.

    I wonder whether they'll put a test dummy up and down first.

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    Gazpacho, I forget where you live, but at least me here in the US is not receiving much information. Thanks for yours, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lacey View Post
    Gazpacho, I forget where you live, but at least me here in the US is not receiving much information. Thanks for yours, though.
    I live in the US but get my news from media sources in many countries, including Chile I'm also obsessed with this story

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    http://www.aolnews.com/world/article..._lnk1%7C176609

    Says the rescuers are fighting over who will be last out.

    ETA, sorry, mostly the same article as above.

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