Need a level 3 layback spin for Juvenile level

[Jozet]

We're still trying to figure out how to add on features, and I have a skating kid without a Biellmann who would like to get a level 3 layback for Regionals.

If she starts in a side-leaning position for 3 revs then switches to back with an 8 rev haircutter, is that level 2 or is it bumped up to 3?

She would need to be in a back layback between the side and haircutter - would that need 3 revs in back position before getting into haircutter?

Thanks for any thoughts, information, or advice!

[mgobluegirl]

If she starts with the sideways-leaning position and holds for at least 3 turns, then switches to back and holds for 3 turns before going into the haircutter (and before she even reaches for her foot), then does haircutter for 8, that should be a level 3.

She could also do 8 revolutions in either the sideways leaning position or the normal back position (and then just hold the haircutter for 2) and get a level 3.

[Doubletoe]

We're still trying to figure out how to add on features, and I have a skating kid without a Biellmann who would like to get a level 3 layback for Regionals.

If she starts in a side-leaning position for 3 revs then switches to back with an 8 rev haircutter, is that level 2 or is it bumped up to 3?

She would need to be in a back layback between the side and haircutter - would that need 3 revs in back position before getting into haircutter?

Thanks for any thoughts, information, or advice!

Sideways lean to backwards is 1 feature, haircutter is a 2nd feature and 8 revs is a 3rd feature, so that's a level 3. It doesn't say anywhere in the technical specialists' clarification document that the skater needs to stay in the plain back layback position for 3 revs before going into the haircutter (which is a variation on the back layback position), so I'm pretty sure she can go straight into the haircutter after the sideways lean. If she doesn't want to do the haircutter, she could also get a level 3 by just increasing speed on the layback while holding it for 8 revs (usually done by lowering free leg and bringing it closer while pulling arms in to chest).

[aster]

You can get a level 3 without a classic layback. The feature for the sideways only requires a transition from sideways to backwards (or vise-versa), so the backwards can be in a hair cutter. If her back is perfectly flat in the hair cutter, the first spin should be a level 3.

[Jozet]

Lots of good ideas and great information!

I'll pass it along and let her start giving it a whirl. She's been looking at some ideas for side-leaning positions from videos on line. We'll see if we can get something pretty-looking out of this.

It's her first time at Regionals qualifying level, and her goals are just to land a certain number of doubles and get a level 3 spin...this time around. :-)

[LilJen]

No pun intended ("start giving it a whirl")?? Exciting stuff, though, and good luck to your skater!

[Jozet]

Lol! Well...maybe a bit of a pun. :-) Thanks! This will be her first year skating qualifying at Regionals but she doesn't expect to make it to final round. She'll have another chance at Juvenile level for Regionals next year, as well.

She's had an amazing year with a lot of progress and hard work, but it feels as if she's been testing and putting together new level test and competition programs every other month. It will be nice to finally have a full year to really work on the details at one level.

[Jenna]

Hello

I just wanted to add in that someone had mentioned the increase of speed bullet earlier. I was talking to a skating friend of mine who just earned her regional appointment as a technical specialist. She said that they are instructed in their training courses to use this bullet very sparingly. Trust me, my daughter and some of her friends have been trying to get this level four layback spin called for over a year. Each time they do the sideways leaning, and then a haircutter for 8, with what I would consider to be an absolutely definite increase in speed - every time the same thing shows up on the protocol - "LSp3." The bullet is extremely vague and subjective. So, if you can speed up, go for it as it looks really good and can improve GOE, but I wouldn't depend on getting awarded a feature. Just a little PSA.

[skatemommy]

At some seminar I attended on IJS the speaker stated that in the sideways leaning spin the shoulders need to get to perpendicular to the ice to fully count. Good luck and report back!