"The team doesn't get automatic capacity because management is mad" -- Greg Smith, agile guy
Besides, Yuna was super busy while she was in Korea so I wouldn't be surprised if Yuna didn't have time to check e-mails.
Yu-na had a lot of success before she ever stepped foot on the ice with Brian. Girl was dominating the Junior circuit and displaying an awesome technical ability (along with landing more 3loops than she ever landed as a Senior. Although no loops at Junior Worlds) To say Brian gave her everything, when Brian didn't even become her coach until after she became the Senior Grand Prix Final Champion, is just frankly unfair. He did help her some going into her Senior season, but he wasn't training her full time, and this girl had already beaten Mao at Junior worlds and was considered someone who was going to be a big star.Originally Posted by DickButtonFan
I really think Brian accidently said what her programs were. His mind is probably not so clear right now, I'm sure he's really hurt. Cut him some slack. He's obviously a great coach and worked really hard to get yuna all she has.
And its an insult to all the coaches that worked with Yu-na before Brian to say Brian gave her everything. For example its clear to me given what I've seen from a lot of the Korean coaches, that there is someone in Korea who is extremely good at teaching toe jumps.Because as I mentioned when Yu-na came to Orser, she was always considered one of the best jumpers in the world. One could kind of argue that Brian was her Tarasova. Although she was already showing artist promise before she went to him.
This doesn't mean that Yu-na shouldn't be grateful for how well Orser trained her and prepared her because she should. But you know what Brian should be pretty grateful to Yu-na as well. Before Yu-na came along , he was not the hottest coach on ice. He had 0 elite students. Sure watching how good Gao is getting, I definetly think Brian would have eventually became a big time coach. But lets be fair it wouldn't have happened so fast. If one of the top skaters in the world hadn't taken chance on a guy, Two time Olympic silver medalist and world champion or not, Brian still had no elite coaching experience and that was a risk. Great skater doesn't always equal great coach.
ATS appears to have a culture that mandates absolute control whether or not their victims have any over what may transpire randomly or semi-randomly. They have a lot to learn about trust and professionalism. I feel sorry for YuNa regarding the rest of her life. She may garner the lion's share of money, but I believe that those around her and controlling her may never let her make her own decisions and be happy. JMO.
Look, it's not really that complicated. Their contract ends on April, and skater doesn't want to re-sign. It happens all the time in figure skating. I concluded we don‘t have to hold a debate, because this problem don't deserve it. Orser hope to complicate matters. His desire is at last accomplished.
But, It is not a matter. The matter is a dirt under your feet and the matter in his mind.
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As for the actual firing, Yu-Na could have brought a translator and met with Brian. ( that's right, FACE-TO-FACE!! ) She could tell him his services were no longer needed. They could have made a JOINT statement ( that's right, TOGETHER!! ) to the news media. Each one could have thanked the other, and wished each other all happiness success in their future projects.
Would that have been so difficult?
I didn't say Brian was the sole person to get yuna to where she is. In some of my previous posts I said that yuna was great way before Brian. I'm just saying he worked reall hard to get her that Olympic gold. She was a great skater before but Brian made her that much better. When a coach helps you get an Olympic gold it's not so nice to write on your site and imply the last four years haven't been so great. If she doesn't want to discuss it in public then don't say things like that.
But anyway, I do think Yuna should've been there when they gave him the final notice. Esp if it was her own decision as she says. She could've been there and told him directly how she'll miss him and thank him for everything and stuff...even if she didn't feel that way. You know... just to make things easier for Brian to accept. Even if most skaters part with their coaches through their agents or others (don't know if that's how it is but...), they've achieved an OGM together just a few months ago. They're not just some skater and coach who've worked together for 1 or 2 seasons, didn't make much progress and decided to part. If there was going to be a farewell like Brian seemed to have suspected beforehand according to his tv interview, he must've imagined it to be something a bit more...'touching'?
Anyway, both sides should stop whatever damage control they think they've been doing. The world will never completely believe just one side of the story. People will go on speculating, and go on saying whatever they want about this, just like I'm doing now. Both sides should've been prepared for this. It's like a tax thing which comes along with fame, glory and fortune. Both sides should not be bothered by how people will think of them. Everyone's going to lose interest sooner or later. They just need to wait and act like they've done nothing wrong if they really think so.
We'll never know the truth like you say. I'm not going to comment much more on this. I just didn't like the idea of some people making language problems an excuse for Yuna's tweet, and who started the talking first is absolutely not the issue. I also have to say, that if anyone was ever 'bashed' concerning this matter, it's some people who've been hanging around here who's been doing it.
Yuna and Brian should be EQUALLY grateful to each other. They wouldn't achieve the success they had without each other. Although of course if one of them achieves more success than the other in their subsequent careers, then it may change the public perception of who was luckier to have whom.
However, Yuna's side clearly thought it was not the final notice. They thought they were on an unofficial time off. (Why do I feel like Ross?? "WE WERE ON BREAK!!!!") At this point I'm not so sure they even wanted total breakup.
I wasn't saying Brian didn't have a big part of Yu-na's success. But he wasn't the only reason, he didn't give her everything... Its a fair thing to say. Just like its fair to say that Mishin did have a great deal to do with Yagudin's gold medal given the technical foundation Mishin gave Yags. Even if Tarasova helped him in other areas which gave him the gold.
All I was saying is the whole "Yu-na owes Brian everything" isn't completely fair. Both should be quite thankful to each other because BOTH did a lot for the other's careers. Obviously when Yu-na picked Brian she spotted a good coach.
Same story over and over..
It was in July when Kim's camp didn't respond to Orser's email. At that time Kim was staying in Seoul for the ice show. Given Kim has trained alone in Toronto since June, there must have already been tension between them. Actually, ATS articulated their relationship with Orser has not been comfortable since May. But Orser seems to avoid mentioning the situation in May and June. What happened at that time?
Of course Brian should be greatful and I'm sure he is. But if the treatment he is getting from her supposed 'fans' is the trade off I do wonder if he thinks 'was she worth it?' (And to that matter any coach soon to be approached would be well advised to consider 'is she worth it?' if this is the way they are to be treated.) Kim got waaay more from Brian than a bit of polishing and you know that. Totally biased commentary from Bezic, Browning and Tracy Wilson, all his Canadian connections leading in to Vancouver, not to mention protection from the media in Korea. That's a helluva bridge she just burnt IMO.