Not sure what is so funny about Hole and Johnson. Anyone want to PM me?
Thank you for those who have "instructed" me. I guess I am too naive.
That is quite the coincidence..
At least they withdrew with plenty of time for a team to replace them at NHK. And if they do end up retiring, at least they ended with a great final free skate at Nationals!
I meant to take the high road.... but I missed the exit.
I don't mind if I/B continue competing or not, but I really do find their longevity admirable and inspiring. No matter how old they get, they always seem to be competitive for one of the top spots at Nationals and keep the younger teams on their toes, so good for them if they chose to continue.
SP: Ladwig two-footed SBS 3T. Evora two-footed throw 3-Loop. +GOEs on all other elements. No falls.
LP: Ladwig singled second jump of SBS 3T-2T. Evora fell on throw 3-Lutz. +2 GOE on their signature lift.
SP: Inoue fell on throw 3-Axel. Baldwin "stopped" (he says he hit a rut in the ice) in the SBS spin. Negative GOEs on a "crashy" triple twist.
LP: Baldwin doubled the SBS 3T and got a total of 0.70 for the element. Negative GOEs again on a "crashy" triple twist. Negative GOEs on the throw 3-Axel.
I/B did win the LP but points were not enough to cover the point differentials in the SP. I/B had better PCS than E/L in both SP and LP, but E/L had better TES. Which is why I don't understand the "wuzrobbed" comments.
While I/B did land the throw 3-Axel in the LP, E/L lifts were superior and scored a total of 22.70 points compared to I/B's 19.23 points - a difference of 3.47 points. One of their lifts was scored 9.15 while I/B throw 3-Axel got 7.82 points.
Why did the throw 3A get minus GOE? That was a beauty.
Anyway, I agree with the results too. E/L were ranked 3rd in the free, but their superior short kept them in second overall. I don't have a problem with that...COP requires consistency. Had this been 6.0, I/B would have been 2nd overall.
Either way, I/B proved again to be a team in the hunt. Under an international judging panel, the results may have ended up differently. I know a lot of people want them to just retire, but to me, the more competitive Nationals is, the better. As annoying as John can be sometimes, I wouldn't mind seeing them at Nationals this year. It's not their fault if the younger teams don't skate well enough to beat them.
The SBS 3T-2T in the LP has been downgraded to a SBS 3T-1T, plus they got four -2 and three -3 GOEs from the judges. Are you again suggesting that they should have gotten -3 GOEs across the board?
Don't you think that will be too severe?
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I admire I&B's career and respect their pair skills. They've consistently had good unison and there is a sureness in their spins and elements that is nice to see. I also liked how John fulfilled his role as "team captain" in Torino. He was at all the events and supported all of the US team skaters. If this is the first start to their retirement for a very commendable career.
But I'm glad E&L got to go to Vancouver. Their experience at those games was one of my favorite parts of the Olympics. They'd worked so hard for so many years without a lot of impressive results to keep them motivated. But they worked hard and improved a number of aspects of their skating, including their lifts, and they peaked at the right time. They seemed to enjoy every moment of their Olympic experience so much that it was delightful to watch. A great reward for years of sacrifice and for always representing their sport well.
"The Devil is joining in, and that's never a good sign." Phil Liggett
Have these kids ever gotten married or not??????
I would prefer that if this is their last season, they tell us so. It would be nice to thank them while they are still skating, than to hear that they've quietly retired.
I got to talk to them when National's were in Atlanta. They sat in the stands near us during the short programs for Men and Women. Very nice people, and he seemed so protective of her.