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    Quote Originally Posted by nekkidgator View Post
    Um, is there really a pair team named Hole and Johnson???? LOL they are my new favorites for their name alone! Sounds like a Jay Leno headlines bit where dirty wedding names are sent in :-)
    Yep, Kaleigh Hole and Adam Johnson. lol.

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    Not sure what is so funny about Hole and Johnson. Anyone want to PM me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    Not sure what is so funny about Hole and Johnson. Anyone want to PM me?
    I can tell you that "johnson" is a slang for a part of the male's anatomy .

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    Thank you for those who have "instructed" me. I guess I am too naive.

    That is quite the coincidence..

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    I&B gave solid performances last year at Nationals. An argument could be made that they should've gone to Vancouver instead of the 2nd place couple.
    E/L did as well or even better than I/B would've done at the Olympics. I thought that E/L's performance at Nationals was a fluke, but I guess they proved me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moebius View Post
    E/L did as well or even better than I/B would've done at the Olympics.
    I respect I/B's career, but I totally agree with this statement. The last time I/B were even at Worlds they were 10th in 2008, and they had lessened their difficulty in their programs since then.

    At least they withdrew with plenty of time for a team to replace them at NHK. And if they do end up retiring, at least they ended with a great final free skate at Nationals!
    I meant to take the high road.... but I missed the exit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moebius View Post
    E/L did as well or even better than I/B would've done at the Olympics. I thought that E/L's performance at Nationals was a fluke, but I guess they proved me wrong.
    I thought E/L skated much better at the Olympics than they did at Nationals, where they had several mistakes. One could definitely make a case that I/B should have been sent to the Olympics over E/L based on how these teams skated in Spokane. Both teams had multiple errors in the SP, and I/B may have skated better overall in the long.

    I don't mind if I/B continue competing or not, but I really do find their longevity admirable and inspiring. No matter how old they get, they always seem to be competitive for one of the top spots at Nationals and keep the younger teams on their toes, so good for them if they chose to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjeaskategym View Post
    I thought E/L skated much better at the Olympics than they did at Nationals, where they had several mistakes. One could definitely make a case that I/B should have been sent to the Olympics over E/L based on how these teams skated in Spokane. Both teams had multiple errors in the SP, and I/B may have skated better overall in the long.
    Evora/Ladwig:
    SP: Ladwig two-footed SBS 3T. Evora two-footed throw 3-Loop. +GOEs on all other elements. No falls.
    LP: Ladwig singled second jump of SBS 3T-2T. Evora fell on throw 3-Lutz. +2 GOE on their signature lift.

    Inoue/Baldwin:
    SP: Inoue fell on throw 3-Axel. Baldwin "stopped" (he says he hit a rut in the ice) in the SBS spin. Negative GOEs on a "crashy" triple twist.
    LP: Baldwin doubled the SBS 3T and got a total of 0.70 for the element. Negative GOEs again on a "crashy" triple twist. Negative GOEs on the throw 3-Axel.

    I/B did win the LP but points were not enough to cover the point differentials in the SP. I/B had better PCS than E/L in both SP and LP, but E/L had better TES. Which is why I don't understand the "wuzrobbed" comments.

    While I/B did land the throw 3-Axel in the LP, E/L lifts were superior and scored a total of 22.70 points compared to I/B's 19.23 points - a difference of 3.47 points. One of their lifts was scored 9.15 while I/B throw 3-Axel got 7.82 points.

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    Why did the throw 3A get minus GOE? That was a beauty.

    Anyway, I agree with the results too. E/L were ranked 3rd in the free, but their superior short kept them in second overall. I don't have a problem with that...COP requires consistency. Had this been 6.0, I/B would have been 2nd overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    Why did the throw 3A get minus GOE? That was a beauty.
    My understanding was (and I am just quoting here) - the entry was "telegraphed" and the landing was forward and "scratchy". Four of nine judges gave it a -1.0 and one judge gave it a +1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apollo13 View Post
    My understanding was (and I am just quoting here) - the entry was "telegraphed" and the landing was forward and "scratchy". Four of nine judges gave it a -1.0 and one judge gave it a +1.
    Even if I/B did not get negative GOEs (-0.43 pts) on their throw 3-Axel, they would still have lost to E/L 173.78 to 173.61 -

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    Quote Originally Posted by apollo13 View Post
    Evora/Ladwig:
    SP: Ladwig two-footed SBS 3T. Evora two-footed throw 3-Loop. +GOEs on all other elements. No falls.
    LP: Ladwig singled second jump of SBS 3T-2T. Evora fell on throw 3-Lutz. +2 GOE on their signature lift.

    Inoue/Baldwin:
    SP: Inoue fell on throw 3-Axel. Baldwin "stopped" (he says he hit a rut in the ice) in the SBS spin. Negative GOEs on a "crashy" triple twist.
    LP: Baldwin doubled the SBS 3T and got a total of 0.70 for the element. Negative GOEs again on a "crashy" triple twist. Negative GOEs on the throw 3-Axel.

    I/B did win the LP but points were not enough to cover the point differentials in the SP. I/B had better PCS than E/L in both SP and LP, but E/L had better TES. Which is why I don't understand the "wuzrobbed" comments.

    While I/B did land the throw 3-Axel in the LP, E/L lifts were superior and scored a total of 22.70 points compared to I/B's 19.23 points - a difference of 3.47 points. One of their lifts was scored 9.15 while I/B throw 3-Axel got 7.82 points.
    I wouldn't really call it "wuzrobbed" especially because the scores ended up very close. I just think one can make a strong case that I/B should have been 2nd. Some of E/L's mistakes could be described a little more severely than how you described them. The errors in the SP weren't mere two-foots... There were turnouts out of both of those elements. In the LP, Ladwig's 1T was more like a wild attempt at a 2T that got 1.5 rotations around and landed on two feet. So I think I/B may have skated well enough overall to make up for their weaker elements.

    Either way, I/B proved again to be a team in the hunt. Under an international judging panel, the results may have ended up differently. I know a lot of people want them to just retire, but to me, the more competitive Nationals is, the better. As annoying as John can be sometimes, I wouldn't mind seeing them at Nationals this year. It's not their fault if the younger teams don't skate well enough to beat them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjeaskategym View Post
    I wouldn't really call it "wuzrobbed" especially because the scores ended up very close. I just think one can make a strong case that I/B should have been 2nd. Some of E/L's mistakes could be described a little more severely than how you described them. The errors in the SP weren't mere two-foots... There were turnouts out of both of those elements. In the LP, Ladwig's 1T was more like a wild attempt at a 2T that got 1.5 rotations around and landed on two feet. So I think I/B may have skated well enough overall to make up for their weaker elements.

    Either way, I/B proved again to be a team in the hunt. Under an international judging panel, the results may have ended up differently. I know a lot of people want them to just retire, but to me, the more competitive Nationals is, the better. As annoying as John can be sometimes, I wouldn't mind seeing them at Nationals this year. It's not their fault if the younger teams don't skate well enough to beat them.
    Well, E/L got -2 GOEs for both mistakes in the SP. Are you suggesting they should have gotten -3 GOEs?

    The SBS 3T-2T in the LP has been downgraded to a SBS 3T-1T, plus they got four -2 and three -3 GOEs from the judges. Are you again suggesting that they should have gotten -3 GOEs across the board?

    Don't you think that will be too severe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apollo13 View Post
    Well, E/L got -2 GOEs for both mistakes in the SP. Are you suggesting they should have gotten -3 GOEs?

    The SBS 3T-2T in the LP has been downgraded to a SBS 3T-1T, plus they got four -2 and three -3 GOEs from the judges. Are you again suggesting that they should have gotten -3 GOEs across the board?

    Don't you think that will be too severe?
    Yes, I agree it would be too severe. But overall performance and execution affect the PCS as well. We all see how the PCS inevitably act somewhat as a placeholder to rank teams in the order they deserve to based on how they skate that day. I understand why E/L placed 2nd, but I do think reasonable arguments can be made that I/B should have been 2nd instead... And all it would have taken was one point difference in PCS for that to happen. It sure was close.
    Last edited by stjeaskategym; 08-23-2010 at 08:18 PM.

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    I admire I&B's career and respect their pair skills. They've consistently had good unison and there is a sureness in their spins and elements that is nice to see. I also liked how John fulfilled his role as "team captain" in Torino. He was at all the events and supported all of the US team skaters. If this is the first start to their retirement for a very commendable career.

    But I'm glad E&L got to go to Vancouver. Their experience at those games was one of my favorite parts of the Olympics. They'd worked so hard for so many years without a lot of impressive results to keep them motivated. But they worked hard and improved a number of aspects of their skating, including their lifts, and they peaked at the right time. They seemed to enjoy every moment of their Olympic experience so much that it was delightful to watch. A great reward for years of sacrifice and for always representing their sport well.
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    Have these kids ever gotten married or not??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octoberopals View Post
    Have these kids ever gotten married or not??????
    LOL! This was exactly my question!!! This seems to be the longest engagement on ice.
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    I would prefer that if this is their last season, they tell us so. It would be nice to thank them while they are still skating, than to hear that they've quietly retired.
    I got to talk to them when National's were in Atlanta. They sat in the stands near us during the short programs for Men and Women. Very nice people, and he seemed so protective of her.

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    Their replacements have been chosen.

    http://figureskatersonline.com/news/...to-nhk-trophy/

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