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    What would have happened at 96 Worlds if Ito had skated perfectly as well

    Everyone remembers the amazing and still debated duel between Kwan and Chen at the 96 Worlds. Midori Ito had come back for this season and reportedly was tearing it up in practice but bombed in the actual event. How would the event have gone had Ito skated as well as she did in practices with the triple axel going up against the amazing performances Kwan and Chen both had.

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    It is hard to tell because there is no way of knowing how a perfect skate from Ito might have affected the other two. For example, the extra pressure may have meant Michelle landed her 3/3 -- or it may have meant that she fell; I can't even guess how Chen Lu may have altered her program.

    I also don't know how high Midori's second mark should have been -- but probably, good enough to secure her the gold. Maybe, instead of performances that should have resulted in duplicate golds (IMO, Chen and Kwan should have tied), there should have been triplicate golds!

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    Well, what did the reports say, exactly?

    Are you suggesting she skated perfectly?

    Are you suggesting she skated well, but not perfectly?

    I mean, who knows what would have happened? Would the judges have cared given Kwan's amazing performance?

    And why are you so interested in what ifs? I mean, basically this is asking, given how you are currently imagining Midori skating, where would you place the performance in your head. And if I know you, you'll argue whatever your already-decided point is against everyone else's as soon as they say anything slightly different as though they have no idea what they're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater View Post
    Well, what did the reports say, exactly?

    Are you suggesting she skated perfectly?

    Are you suggesting she skated well, but not perfectly?

    I mean, who knows what would have happened? Would the judges have cared given Kwan's amazing performance?

    And why are you so interested in what ifs? I mean, basically this is asking, given how you are currently imagining Midori skating, where would you place the performance in your head. And if I know you, you'll argue whatever your already-decided point is against everyone else's as soon as they say anything slightly different as though they have no idea what they're talking about.
    Oh you again. Thank goodness for the ignore button, cant believe I havent used it sooner.

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    What a totally clean SP & LP with 7 triples? I'm guessing 3rd. Or would the judges have rolled out the 6.0's for technical merit as they did for her in 89 - 92 and propped her up towards the OGM in Nagano? Who knows. It's such a shame she was so underweight in Edmonton leading to her anaemia. I've never seen her look worse and as a huuuge fan of Ito's, the whole week just broke my heart. She looked absolutely haggard after the SP. It's really amazing she was able to skate at all considering the physical state she was in.

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    I think the plan when she first came back was to go until Nagano. After Worlds though she retired from skating altogether, did not even return to the pro ranks, before returning many years later for the occasional Open Pro-Am. I saw her at the Japan Open in late 2000 where she came 3rd behind Butyrskaya and Slutskaya and it was the 1st time I had seen her skate since 96. She even tried a triple axel and almost landed it cleanly.

    I missed her so much in the pro ranks. She and Yamaguchi continued their amazing rivalry into the pros, and Yuka Sato was just coming into her own as a pro and challenging both when Ito left the pro ranks. Had her amateur comeback went well though it would have been fun to see her at the 98 Games too of course. It was just sad how she looked at Worlds and how she dissapeared afterwords. Such a loss to figure skating.

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    Slightly OT, but I had heard that the JSF was pushing Midori to reinstate and compete towards Nagano '98. If so, isn't it odd that they didn't push Yuka Sato instead, who had only retired in '94 and judging by her pro career, maybe was in better shape?

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    I have to agree with michiruwater. Why do you bother to make these threads if you don't give a "rat's ass" about what we think?


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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    How would the event have gone had Ito skated as well as she did in practices with the triple axel going up against the amazing performances Kwan and Chen both had.
    The gravity of the situation, in flowers alone, would have caused earth to collapse on itself

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    Ito's Cinderella program paled in comparison to Chen's Rach and MK's Salome programs, but I think if she was on 100%, nailed everything, and her bubbly personality shone through then the judges would've placed her 1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    Ito's Cinderella program paled in comparison to Chen's Rach and MK's Salome programs, but I think if she was on 100%, nailed everything, and her bubbly personality shone through then the judges would've placed her 1st.
    I think the judges would have been tickled to death to give Ito another World Championship, particularly post-figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Slightly OT, but I had heard that the JSF was pushing Midori to reinstate and compete towards Nagano '98. If so, isn't it odd that they didn't push Yuka Sato instead, who had only retired in '94 and judging by her pro career, maybe was in better shape?
    It could be marketability. Although I am sure she was extremely popular with Japanese skating fans all the same, I am not sure if Sato was ever as popular or as big a star in Japan as Ito. One that attracts to the general masses for TV ratings, etc...

    I suppose too it is possible they did try and get Yuka to return and we never heard about it. And even if they had she probably wouldnt have since her pro skating was better than her amateur skating ever was. She actually was a dominant pro competive skater for periods, which she never was as an amateur. And she admited to never really liking amateur competition anyway.

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    Yuka did not have the 3Lz as a pro and hardly as an eligible skater. Midori was the only Japanese pro skater that had a chance in eligible skating at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    Yuka did not have the 3Lz as a pro and hardly as an eligible skater. Midori was the only Japanese pro skater that had a chance in eligible skating at that time.
    Wrong.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOcSjJ-bfCQ

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    Why didn't Midori compete in 1994 Olympics, anyway? It wasn't like she had to stay in for four more years to get another crack at it. Seems like that would have made more sense than a 1998 comeback.
    "Marge, if you're going to get mad at me every time I do something stupid, then I guess I'm just going to have to stop doing stupid things!" - Homer Simpson in the Mr. Plow episode

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    I remember it being said quite a few times before the 92 Olympics that it was Midori's final amateur season. However I thought after not getting the gold she might return too since the next Olympics were only 2 years away, especialy with Kristi going pro. I assumed at the time it was all the wear on her body from years of amateur skating and just having had enough of the physical and mental stress of amateur skating.

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    The marks were pretty generous considering how she actually skated.

    I'm guessing she would have won, especially if she did both the 3 axel in the short and long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple Butz View Post
    Well, maybe that was the one she would land every couple of years in competition.

    She certainly did not follow up this program with a consistent set of jumps in the 2nd program.

    Yuka Sato 1995 World Professional Championships AP

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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    Well, maybe that was the one she would land every couple of years in competition.

    She certainly did not follow up this program with a consistent set of jumps in the 2nd program.

    Yuka Sato 1995 World Professional Championships AP
    I never said it was consistent

    Still, I think Yuka was probably all around a better skater than Midori in 96. Midori had regained the 3A somewhat, but the lutz and flip were hit or miss at that point. I also feel that due to the time off, her skating in general had reverted to that of a more choppy, juniorish skater.

    To answer the original question, I think that even if Midori had skated completely cleanly she would have finished behind Kwan and Chen who were much more polished all-around skaters;(even with Chen's weak spins). 96 Midori would have needed another year to regain her prior form in all skating areas, not just the jumps. Her Prokofiev program that year wasn't helping her out any either, IMO.

    Now if we're talking 1990-1992 peak form Midori, look out Kwan and Chen.

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    I read in a skating book that Midori was weak at the '96 worlds because she'd been starving herself to lose weight.

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