Chan and Suguri never attempted to reach US Nationals. Diane De Leeuw did. She didn't. Therefore, she is a great skater that didn't qualify for US Nationals. Period. End of story. Nothing to debate here.
What is there to debate about? It's hard to debate facts.
Thanks for the bad rep, by the way.
Sport Reference- Olympic Sports: Dianne Margaret de LeeuwDianne de Leeuw was born in California to a Dutch mother and a father with dual US/Dutch nationality. When she was an up and coming figure skater, her grandfather expressed the wish that she would compete for the Netherlands, rather than the US. She first competed for the Dutch title in 1971, and won it right away, claiming the title until 1976. She developed into a world class figure skater, winning her first international medals in 1974. In 1975, she defeated semi-compatriot Dorothy Hamill for the world title, which did no sit well with the American press. In 1976, she also won the European Championships (following two silver medals), and the Dutch media expected her to become the successor to Sjoukje Dijkstra. However, she lost to Hamill and placed second. She ended her competitive figure skating career later that season and joined an ice show, touring North America. At present, she is a figure skating teacher together with her husband and former coach, Doug Chapman.
1975 World Champion and 1976 Olympic Silver Medalist Dianne DeLeeuw By Jo Ann Schneider FarrisHow Dianne Began Skating:
Dianne's mother, being from Holland, always ice skated. She went with her mother to a skating "Coffee Club" class when she was a little girl and immediately took to ice skating.
After that, she became more serious about figure skating and her family decided to take advantage of her dual citzenship by skating for the Netherlands. It was decided that international competition experience was the best route for Dianne . . .
Dianne's Olympic Experience:
Dianne took part in two Olympics. She writes: "1972 was all fun, seeing the sights and events in Japan (I placed 15th). 1976 was all business. My only great memories were carrying the Dutch flag at the Opening Ceremonies and an outdoor practice before the games started. That practice was at the speed skating oval filled in with ice. On the first night of practice, there were only a few skaters and the ice was not sectioned off, so there was ice as far as you could see under the stars. I didn't want to get off!"
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Of course that would also leave out someone like Katherine Healy who turned pro before she was ready to try. Or did she get to novice regionals once before going pro?
There would also need to be a definition of what makes someone a great skater. Criteria results? Jumps? Speed and edges? Artistry?
Even if we agree on what criteria to use, I'm sure there would still be plenty of disagreement on which skaters actually meet them.
lol I was never even near that level. In fact I was so "terrible" that I could never test for my Novice Free because I could not string a double toe or double loop onto another double jump if my life depended on it.
Actually I'm pretty pround of the fact that I could do double jumps. I had everythng up to a double flutz =)
This thread title is such a paradox I had to post.
"Great" yet FAILED to qualify for NATIONALS.
Janet Champion - Child Skating Star
When she was eight years old she won the Grand Prize at the California State Exchange Club Talent Contest. The prize included a trophy and a small cash prize. Accepting the money automatically made her a professional in figure skating because at that time, a skater couldn't accept money for anything even if it wasn't skating.Janet Champion - - Child Skating Star and Skating CoachAfter she won the California State Exchange Club Contest, the only skating rink in San Diego closed, so she began skating in Los Angeles. Her coach arranged for her to be seen by the owners of Ice Follies and she impressed them with more than ten back handsprings on the ice.
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When she ventured to the local ice rink, she was denied entry. She continued to hone her skills while returning to the rink repeatedly. Her persistence paid off: the manager finally relented and the rest, as we say, is black history.
She developed into a formidable figure skater but she was barred from joining any figure skating clubs, which was the route to official competition.
Despite her skills and talent, she was never allowed to take part in official competition.
Yes, in my opinion, and in the the opinions of several others who have posted here, there are "great" skates that have had poor competitions and have never qualified for nationals. Diane DeLeeuw is one of these people, yet she represented the Netherlands and won Olympic Gold, much to the dismay of US Figure Skating.
It's fine to disagree with me, but don't come here and mock me and others who agree. That's just being a rude little b*tch.
Did Joanna Ng ever make it to senior nationals?
Unfortunately, there isn't a bio entry really on Joanna Ng's website.
Joanna was very young, 12, and won a Skate Canada competition for Interpretative skating against adults, which did not allow triple jumps. Here:
She might have been US novice champion at the time? And she went on to skate in juniors the next year or two.
I was looking forward to seeing her compete, but she went professional almost immediately, and is still a 'skating professional'.
I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally.~W. C. Fields
Oh, really? So a skater who places 4th in the short program at sectionals, 5th in the free skate and 5th overall by a few tenths of a point can't be considered great? I'm sorry, but I beg to differ. Agnes Zawadzki didn't make it to nationals in 2009. The USFSA thought with your mentality and didn't put her on the JGP last fall. She went on to win Silver at the World Junior Championships, defeating Polina Shelepen and Christina Gao, silver and bronze medalists at the 2009-10 Junior Grand Prix Final. Enough said. Just because a skater doesn't make it to nationals doesn't define their entire career.
And if Agnes Zawadzki were to never qualify for a Nationals she would not be considered a great skater. In fact by most peoples standards she is not a great skater at this point either, though she could become one in the future.
Obviously, we have to agree to disagree. This debate could rage on for months, but that's not in the cards for me.
IMHO, I think that the only "great skaters to never qualify for US Nationals" are probably from the true amatuer figures era that could not do figures very well, could not get into a skating club for whatever reason (such SES discrimination), could not afford training (ice time, costumes, etc.), or accepted money for any reason (since earning money for anything, even singing, made a skater a professional).
In the current era, skaters can earn money to free skate in competition or shows, and accept endorsement deals, so there is not excuse except ones own inconsistency.