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    Quote Originally Posted by FunnyBut View Post
    May I just say I love this word 'twee'. An image of Alyssa Czisny skating to Sabrina popped into my mind immediately, even before I read Emma's definition of the word
    It's just the the perfect British word, at once so genteel and insulting .
    OT, but the first time I heard the word twee I was standing on a road in Switzerland. I was surrounded by stunning scenery in every direction: tall mountains, gorgeous waterfalls, snowcapped this and that. The Brit standing next to me took one look around and pronounced "it's all just a bit twee, isn't it?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by emason View Post
    OT, but the first time I heard the word twee I was standing on a road in Switzerland. I was surrounded by stunning scenery in every direction: tall mountains, gorgeous waterfalls, snowcapped this and that. The Brit standing next to me took one look around and pronounced "it's all just a bit twee, isn't it?".
    Well, boo to the Brit. Nature is hardly twee. I think "twee" implies some measure of artifice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taf2002 View Post
    Criticizing a dead person is useless & IMO shows a mean-spiritedness of the criticizer.
    Again, she didn't criticize Hepburn as a person. She criticized her as an actress. Big difference.

    I asked a question in my previous post, if a performer/composer/writer/etc. is dead, should all criticism of their work stop?

    Calling a person twee & saying she can't act, especially a beloved, iconice actress is hateful.
    Are you even serious? Saying someone can't act is hateful? Jesus Freaking Christ. If that's not an overreaction, I don't know what is.

    Emma Thompson expressed an opinion. You don't have to agree with it, and you don't. Great. There's enough place in the universe for those two opinions (and millions of others). The world will not end, trust me.

    Ms Thompson better make damn sure she is perfect in every role from now on.
    Why? Do you have to be perfect to be able to criticize anything? I take it, you've never criticized anything?

    Btw, if Emma Thompson never acts or writes or does anything in the public eye again, or all her roles since now on bomb terribly, she will still be a better actress than Hepburn, based on what she's accomplished so far. Yes, that's just my opinion, no one needs to slash their veins because of that.

    I thought AH was wonderful in A Nun's Story...that's clearly a matter opinion, but "beyond horrible"?
    To me it was. I tried to watch it when my mother did but I just couldn't bear it, she was sooo bad I had to leave. I even asked my mother how she could watch it. I think Hepburn was bad to the point of being ridiculous.

    IMO AH's movies will live a lot longer than any of ET's.
    Maybe so, but she will still not be a better actress because of it.

    At least in Audrey's movie I could actually understand every word. With Emma's snobbish faux upperclass accent, I can seldom understand what she said.
    Funny you said that. English is not my native language and I can understand Emma Thompson just fine.

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    I agree with everything WS said above, including the fact that although English is not my first language, I have no trouble understanding Emma Thompson. Anyone who doubts she is at least a capable actress with a wide range should see Wit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bek View Post
    One of the criticisms of Audrey was she didn't exactly have a great cockney accent herself. In fact the feeling is Andrews accent was better. The main reason Audrey got that part was because she was a name and Andrews wasn't. And the director didn't think Andrews was photogentic enough. Of course I must admit that Audrey brought a huge charm to that role. But its not like Audrey herself was a Meryl Streep.
    No one's Cockney accent was as bad as Dick Van Dyke's in Mary Poppins. I mean, NO ONE's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    Well, boo to the Brit. Nature is hardly twee. I think "twee" implies some measure of artifice.
    Actually I just went to Switzerland for the first time. Generally you're right, but there's something about all that perfection that is....twee.

    I have a good friend whom I adore, but when she moved to NY she redid her apartment in the same style she loved when we were college roommates. Frilly embroidered pillows, lots of white, lots of cutesy cartoons from the 30s blown up on to make wall posters and so on. Twee was the word I thought of but god forbid you tell her I think that.

    And Emma WAS too old for S&S but in Love Actually she was perfect. And a totally believable and hilarious Beatrice as well.
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    Audrey Hepburn was more a filmstar than an actress. I don't see the problem with Emma Thompson's comments.

    I'm baffled that anybody whose first language is English would have any problem understanding her accent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    No one's Cockney accent was as bad as Dick Van Dyke's in Mary Poppins. I mean, NO ONE's.
    OH HELL NO YOU DIDN'T!!!! Criticize MFL all you want, but do not touch Mary Poppins!!! It is practically perfect in every way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyCharm View Post
    OH HELL NO YOU DIDN'T!!!! Criticize MFL all you want, but do not touch Mary Poppins!!! It is practically perfect in every way!

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    I agree with allezfred. After seeing 6 or 7 of her movies, I can't say I think she's all that as an actress. She had charisma and a certain charm but no great acting chops. If it weren't for the settings and costumes, I probably wouldn't be able to tell one role from another. She was always Audrey Hepburn, much like Clark Gable was always Clark Gable, never mind the movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyCharm View Post
    OH HELL NO YOU DIDN'T!!!! Criticize MFL all you want, but do not touch Mary Poppins!!! It is practically perfect in every way!
    Sorry, but DVD's accent is vile in that movie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    I agree with allezfred. After seeing 6 or 7 of her movies, I can't say I think she's all that as an actress. She had charisma and a certain charm but no great acting chops. If it weren't for the settings and costumes, I probably wouldn't be able to tell one role from another. She was always Audrey Hepburn, much like Clark Gable was always Clark Gable, never mind the movie.
    And some say Kate Hepburn always played the same part in every movie. Maybe it's me, but I thought Audrey was a good actress and I think she was believable in most of the roles she played. But even she has made a dog or two....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    Well, they did give an Oscar to people like John Wayne and Gwynnie Paltrow.
    OT, but John Wayne was amazing in that film, IMO. "Fill your hands, you son of a b___!" It's one of my dad's favorite movies, which I suppose is part of the charm for me, but a lot of it is Wayne's actual performance. He was just so stubborn and cocky and funny and amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    Sorry, but DVD's accent is vile in that movie.

    And some say Kate Hepburn always played the same part in every movie. Maybe it's me, but I thought Audrey was a good actress and I think she was believable in most of the roles she played. But even she has made a dog or two....
    I think she was a capable actress, just not a versatile one.
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    Another AH film naysayers should check out is Robin and Marian - the film as a whole is middling at best, but Hepburn gives a heartfelt performance, and her declaration of love to Sean Connery at the end is very moving. I think she once said that she wasn't a trained actress, so she relied very much on her instincts and emotions to shape a performance rather than on any learned technique. That's why in her best films you see a lot more 'heart' than you do 'head', the result being that when she had to do a big emotional scene she could come off as histrionic and artificial at times, but IMO her positives outweighed the drawbacks.

    Upon fully reading the Thompson article, I noticed that she wants Carey Mulligan to play Eliza. I guess this means that Knightley is now a less likely choice, but I'm uncertain if Mulligan would fare much better. I wasn't overly impressed with her in An Education (she wasn't bad, just not outstanding), and to be honest when I realized she had been in Bleak House, I thought that if anyone from that miniseries had gone on to be a big star, it should've been Anna Maxwell Martin and not her!

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    They both may be eventually, I think. Martin has been working pretty steadily; I just read about her starring in another BBC miniseries, and she's been getting film and stage roles too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taf2002 View Post
    With Emma's snobbish faux upperclass accent, I can seldom understand what she said.


    Emma Thompson does not speak with a faux upperclass accent. She has an Oxbridge accent (she studied at Cambridge), which is used by many educated Britons regardless of class. It is her normal speaking accent; she grew up speaking that way. I've seen her any many things, and the only time that I can recall when she has used another accent is in Dead Again. Her speaking voice is as clear as can be. This is what an upperclass English accent sounds like.

    At her best, when she acts she elevates the quality of the films she is in. I loved her in Howards End and The Remains of the Day, but for me her best work is in Impromptu, where, playing the straight man (as it were) and having a secondary role, she somehow manages to steal the movie from Judy Davis, Mandy Patinkin, Hugh Grant, Julian Sands, Anna Massey, and Bernadette Peters. On the other hand, I think she has not been put to good effect in some of her recent work, like Brideshead Revisited and An Education, in which she's had "gorgon" roles that don't really suit her.

    I liked her in Sense and Sensibility, even though she was too old for to be quite right for the part. One thing that bothered me about her screenplay, though, was the scene between Elinor and Mr. Ferrars where she says, in effect that she would like to work but cannot do so because it is against the rules of society. Elinor's statements are completely contrary not only to the character as conceived by Austen but to Austen's entire world view. The lines are as out of place as a Rothkoesque blotch of red paint on a Watteau.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allezfred View Post
    Audrey Hepburn was more a filmstar than an actress. I don't see the problem with Emma Thompson's comments.

    I'm baffled that anybody whose first language is English would have any problem understanding her accent.
    I quite often can't understand people who speak with a British accent. I usually can't understand at least half of what Hugh Grant says in a movie. I'm better at face to face. (I don't have a good "ear" which is probably why I'm bad at languages.

    But Emma Thompson sounds pretentious to me. I've never been much of a fan. I've liked AH in just about every film I've seen her in, so it's a matter of taste. But I still maintain that it's in terribly bad taste & unnecessary to slam AH like that. There have been many remakes of movies; others didn't find it necessary to pan the prior movie or actor/actress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyliefan View Post
    OT, but John Wayne was amazing in that film, IMO. "Fill your hands, you son of a b___!" It's one of my dad's favorite movies, which I suppose is part of the charm for me, but a lot of it is Wayne's actual performance. He was just so stubborn and cocky and funny and amazing.
    I agree but John Wayne never should have won for True Grit. The Quiet Man or The Searchers maybe. But not True Grit. That Oscar was basically a lifetime achievement award.

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    As a huge Audrey Hepburn fan, I understand where people come from when they find that she isn't a great actress. Technically, Audrey Hepburn had to rely on the excellent film directors that she had to give the performances that she did. She even admitted that she was lucky to work with so many talented directors (think about it...William Wyler, Billy Wilder, George Cuckor, Frank Zimmerman, etc.).

    However, I think a lot of the criticisms are sort of missing the point about Hepburn. What she lacked in technical training, which Emma Thompson has in spades since she got her start in the theatre, she made up for in pure authenticity. She had a real ethereal charisma and earnestness that she brought in front of the screen that still is extremely rare.

    Also, on stage, it's hard to fake it and the two times Audrey Hepburn worked on stage (She was the original Gigi in the play version and she was the lead in Ondine), she got out-of-this-world reviews from the harsh catty theatre critics and won every accolade available at the time.

    It's understandable if one doesn't like the genre that her most popular movies were in or they find her twee. Nobody has universal fandom, and if you're as loved as Audrey Hepburn, you're going to find a lot of ardent haters who just have to prove that she doesn't deserve the attention she gets. For me, that person is Meryl Streep, who I also love but found her most recent work to be incredibly overrated (until Julie and Julia which I felt she was robbed of every award she was up for but did not win). Since I do actually love Streep, maybe a better example would be Johnny Depp who I don't think is nearly a great actor people make him out to be.

    I, however, will always think that Audrey Hepburn showed tremendous raw talent in The Nun's Story, Wait Until Dark, Two for the Road, Roman Holiday, Sabrina, Breakfast at Tiffany's (I loved parts of that movie but I wouldn't say that I like it), and yes, My Fair Lady that made up any deficit in training.

    As for Julie Andrews being robbed of the role, I think she was too. However, I think it worked out for the best because she ended doing Mary Poppins, a film I adore, which gave her a sympathy Oscar. An early screening of Mary Poppins for studio heads lead to her role in The Sound of Music which made her one of the biggest stars of the 1960s and probably was the reason why she got to do one of my favorite "fun" movies, Thoroughly Modern Millie. That said, I wonder if time has been more forgiving of Julie Andrews' performance in My Fair Lady because although most people believe she got universal acclaim for it on stage at the time, she didn't (and still hasn't) won the Tony for it and I think some people criticized her cockney accent. I personally prefer Hepburn/Nixon's more introverted singing to Andrews' more celebratory, extroverted one.

    Also, Hepburn seemed to come from the in-between time in Hollywood where it went from personality (Katherine Hepburn, Humphrey Bogart, Cary Grant, etc.) style of acting to the more modern natural style and the method style where you just integrate yourself into the character and change your persona to be that person (Kathleen Turner said publicly that she hates method actors and finds them selfish). Sometimes I think people wrongly equate supposed versatility with acting ability. Sometimes, people are just really good at whatever they specialize in.

    All that said, I do love Emma Thompson too, but I think she's quick to criticize and dismiss the original film's merits in order to answer any criticism for the remake nobody asked for and to prop up her version. It's understandable, it's is show business.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3oxqmKGM5g

    This clip is another reason why I love Audrey.
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    I don't have any issue with Emma Thompson expression her opinion - given the British acting tradition, it's understandable.

    I think Emma Thompson is a very capable actress. I particularly liked her in The Remains of the Day with Anthony Hopkins.

    That said, she's not on par with Judi Dench.

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