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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    I suppose she would have to compete at South Atlantic Regionals first, and then Eastern Sectionals. The deadline to register for the 2010-2011 Qualifying Season is 10/1/2010.
    Could the deadline to register be September 1, 2010, rather than October 1? October is cutting it pretty close to Regionals. I don't know specifically which week in October South Atlantic's is, but even if it is the last week, I think all Regionals have the same registration deadline. Then again, I really don't know.:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by just wondering View Post
    Could the deadline to register be September 1, 2010, rather than October 1? October is cutting it pretty close to Regionals. I don't know specifically which week in October South Atlantic's is, but even if it is the last week, I think all Regionals have the same registration deadline. Then again, I really don't know.:-)
    You're right! It is supposed to be 9/1/10!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonita View Post
    I have found her courage and dignity quite "real," not just PR/USFSA-Speak,though the years. She seems like a genuine person.
    Lately, I've been finding she has been surprisingly candid about many things related to her skating, both in recent articles and in the Q&A session with her I attended earlier this year. I never really thought she'd say some of these things, but I've come to appreciate her newfound honesty. Not so much in the way I appreciate, say, Mirai's, but when a skater isn't afraid to say that something's bothering her- whether it's an injury, a fan's or reporter's comment, or a trend- or isn't afraid to say that she wants to win (without putting down her competitors), deep down it makes me respect that skater more.

    I saw this article earlier, and I'm not religious so I can't relate to the comments about God, etc, but if someone is spiritual and can use that to dig deep, more power to him/her.

    As for her future in competitive skating, well, unfortunately I don't think she has one. She's done- let's be honest here- she's a skater that got incredibly lucky, peaked at the right time to take advantage of major mistakes from the favorites (2006 Worlds)...ever since then (and even before then) it's been a struggle to live up to those 4 minutes of greatness for her. Too much came too soon, the pressure built, she grew and it all unraveled...in such dramatic fashion. In the meantime, the current US Ladies, in the past three years, swooped right in and took over. It is clear that there are up-and-comers that can challenge, and for any of the old-timers it's really going to be a looong game of catch-up. Sport waits for no one. I wish her the best in whatever she chooses to do, whether it's skating-related or not.

    In a way, the above is why I'm secretly glad Mirai didn't go on to win the '10 worlds (this is NOT to say I was not disappointed with her showing)- because expectations would have been that much higher for her, especially after the great Olympics she had. Now, expectations are still there, but tempered somewhat...at least IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple Butz View Post
    To better illustrate my irkdom, let me just say that I am a professional musician, and since I was a kid I've been hearing the "god has given you a gift speech" and it's really annoying. Who are you to assume I was born with some magical ability? You didn't see the hours and hours of practice, the nerve-wracking competitions, or the years of instruction from famous teachers. You just showed up at the recital, heard me play, and assumed I was "given" this ability. If somebody else wants to let their god take credit for what they've done, that is their choice, but I choose to take credit for my own hard work and experience. That's why we have copyright afterall
    Oh, believe me, none of us believers are saying that a sport or an instrument doesn't take massive amounts of hard work! I'm only an amateur musician and I know that. That's not what "gift from God" means at all. It means it ALL came from God -- the ability and patience to nurture and develop and use a talent. We wouldn't have any of it if He hadn't created us in the first place.

    I understand you don't agree with this, and that's fine. I'm not trying to push it on you. I only wanted to explain that viewpoint a little so you could understand better what that phrase means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beabstress View Post
    but to me, it isn't a religious thing, actually. Instead, I take issue with the current "culture of humility," for lack of a better term, that makes it "tacky" or just plain WRONG for a person to stand up and take credit where credit is due. Society sends us the message that we shouldn't be proud of ourselves, shouldn't toot our own horns--and so we have to shift the credit elsewhere. This is especially damaging for young girls, like Kimmie. To me, it's not a question of abandoning religion--it's only about building healthy self-esteem.
    I don't get from that article at all that Kimmie is solely attributing her success to God. She also talks about her hard work and her work ethic. It's not like she's saying that she just walked into a rink and God did everything else she needed to become world champion.

    I really also don't get the sense that her self-esteem has been damaged at all by her religious faith. If anything, she must have a very strong sense of self-esteem to have endured the insinuations that her winning Worlds was a fluke, and to want to continue in the sport and enjoy it after that.

    There may be athletes who give too much credit to God and not enough to themselves, but she certainly doesn't come across as one of them at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    There may be athletes who give too much credit to God and not enough to themselves, but she certainly doesn't come across as one of them at all.
    If God gets the credit when Kimmie succeeds, does he get the blame when she fails? I could not blame a supernatural entity if I failed at something. The blame is all mine, therefore, so is the credit when I succeed.

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    God gives the talent. You supply the work. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

    In the meantime, the current US Ladies, in the past three years, swooped right in and took over.
    Maybe on the national level...but we've had, what, 5 national champions in 5 years? And Kimmie was the last US lady to medal at Worlds, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly On The Wall View Post
    And Kimmie was the last US lady to medal at Worlds, no?
    Yes, she was...and that was when she won in 2006! Wow. Just hit me. Shows how long this drought has gone on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Yes, she was...and that was when she won in 2006! Wow. Just hit me. Shows how long this drought has gone on.
    The next best finish by a US lady was also Kimmie, who finished 4th in 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polymer Bob View Post
    If God gets the credit when Kimmie succeeds, does he get the blame when she fails? I could not blame a supernatural entity if I failed at something. The blame is all mine, therefore, so is the credit when I succeed.
    But I don't think she is giving God the credit for her results. She is giving God credit for giving her the *talent*. You may not agree with that, but she does talk about how she had to work hard to do something with that talent. So she is not crediting God alone for her successes or her failures.
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    I agree with you that Kimmie herself seems to have a good sense of self-esteem and a level head on her shoulders, and that's great to see. I was trying to indicate that it's a more generalized kind of problem for young girls, this self-esteem "thing," and that it's great when these young girls can witness someone highly accomplished who takes full credit for what's she's got and what she does with it.

    In the end, though, I think we ALL celebrate notable accomplishments like Kimmie's, and that's really all that matters. Best of luck to her!

    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    I don't get from that article at all that Kimmie is solely attributing her success to God. She also talks about her hard work and her work ethic. It's not like she's saying that she just walked into a rink and God did everything else she needed to become world champion.

    I really also don't get the sense that her self-esteem has been damaged at all by her religious faith. If anything, she must have a very strong sense of self-esteem to have endured the insinuations that her winning Worlds was a fluke, and to want to continue in the sport and enjoy it after that.

    There may be athletes who give too much credit to God and not enough to themselves, but she certainly doesn't come across as one of them at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly On The Wall View Post
    Maybe on the national level...but we've had, what, 5 national champions in 5 years? And Kimmie was the last US lady to medal at Worlds, no?
    Wow, I'd forgotten that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple Butz View Post
    The next best finish by a US lady was also Kimmie, who finished 4th in 2007.
    If we're speaking of the 2006-2010 quadrennial, Cohen finished 3rd in 2006 as well.

    Something else I noticed about Meissner: in all her 3 trips to Worlds, she was the highest placing lady of the US team, at 1st, 4th and 7th. It's like you could feel the talent of the US team sliding year by year. At least Flatt pulled up to 5th in 09, before Nagasu slid (literally) to 7th again this year. Maybe now we can do better than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beabstress View Post
    I agree with you that Kimmie herself seems to have a good sense of self-esteem and a level head on her shoulders, and that's great to see. I was trying to indicate that it's a more generalized kind of problem for young girls, this self-esteem "thing," and that it's great when these young girls can witness someone highly accomplished who takes full credit for what's she's got and what she does with it.

    In the end, though, I think we ALL celebrate notable accomplishments like Kimmie's, and that's really all that matters. Best of luck to her!
    Love my Kimmie! Hope she can come back strongly this season!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly On The Wall View Post
    Maybe on the national level...but we've had, what, 5 national champions in 5 years?
    Let me figure this out.

    2005 - Michelle
    2006 - Sasha
    2007 - Kimmie
    2008 - Mirai
    2009 - Alissa
    2010 - Rachael

    No, we have had 6 national champions in 6 years?
    By the way, whose turn is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Something else I noticed about Meissner: in all her 3 trips to Worlds, she was the highest placing lady of the US team, at 1st, 4th and 7th. It's like you could feel the talent of the US team sliding year by year. At least Flatt pulled up to 5th in 09, before Nagasu slid (literally) to 7th again this year. Maybe now we can do better than that.
    One of the U.S. ladies will break out, we just don't know who.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polymer Bob View Post
    Let me figure this out.

    2005 - Michelle
    2006 - Sasha
    2007 - Kimmie
    2008 - Mirai
    2009 - Alissa
    2010 - Rachael

    No, we have had 6 national champions in 6 years?
    I think what was meant was 5 new, 1st time national champions. Kwan won her 9th, 8th consecutive, title in 2005 . . . Michelle was the last one to defend her title is the point that was being made, unless Flatt is able to do it next year.

    By the way, whose turn is it?
    Ashley's . . . hope she can deliver!

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    I think what was meant was 5 new, 1st time national champions. Kwan won her 9th, 8th consecutive, title in 2005 . . . Michelle was the last one to defend her title is the point that was being made, unless Flatt is able to do it next year.
    Ditto. Thank you.

    Also, about the last point, a recent trend shows defending national champs appear to have the worst of luck.

    2007- Cohen: no-show
    2008- Meissner: 7th
    2009- Nagasu: 5th
    2010- Czisny: 10th
    2011- Flatt:



    Ashley's . . . hope she can deliver!
    Well, she's only next in line.
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    That was a very nice interview--Kimmie came across as very level-headed with a good heart.

    OT, but it was interesting to see the interviewer was a former classmate of mine. I wondered what he was up to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Ditto. Thank you.

    Also, about the last point, a recent trend shows defending national champs appear to have the worst of luck.

    2007- Cohen: no-show
    2008- Meissner: 7th
    2009- Nagasu: 5th
    2010- Czisny: 10th
    2011- Flatt:
    Yes, that's very true.

    2006- Kwan: no-show

    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Well, she's only next in line.
    My guess is either Ashley or Caroline will win next year. Assuming the girls are nice enough to keep taking turns like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post

    Ashley's . . . hope she can deliver!
    Hear, hear!
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