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    Cool Mad Men Season 4 premier July 25

    I am so psyched for season 4. T Lo have seen an advance screening and have a preview

    I've been re-watching the first 3 seasons over the past couple of weeks. I can't wait for Sunday.

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    I've got my DVR season pass all set up. Break out the martinis!

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    Can not wait. I love this show, everyone is great, but Jon Hamm is so cool.
    I recently rewatched the last episode from last season. Evidence of a great show, rewatching it - it is even better.

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    So, they are going to jump ahead to late 1964. Hmmm. Maybe I will have my dream realized of watching the cast change through the tumultuous 1960s. I'm dying to see what they would do with the cast by 1970

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    What were Betty Draper's plans at the end of last season? I know she left Don for that politician but did he (the politician) ask her to marry him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civic View Post
    What were Betty Draper's plans at the end of last season? I know she left Don for that politician but did he (the politician) ask her to marry him?
    I think he proposed to her....BTW, isn't that politician an aide to Gov. Rockefeller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Civic View Post
    What were Betty Draper's plans at the end of last season? I know she left Don for that politician but did he (the politician) ask her to marry him?
    I think he asked her but did she verbally say yes? I last scene Betty was in showed her on the plane with Henry and the newborn.

    Can't wait for Sunday!

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    They were headed towards Reno to get the quicky divorce. If the show is leaping ahead in time, then we'll learn pretty quickly if they got married.

    Hoping to see a lot more of Roger this season!

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    Wheeee, just a few more hours to wait!

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    Great episode, setting things up for what I hope is a great season. Roger had some great lines as always. He just cracks me up. The lack of a conference table is funny.
    Wonder how long Betty will be with Henry?? Are they married? Did I miss something relating to that. Seems like Betty would worry about appearances, things were so different back then.

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    They're married. She was quite insistent about not sleeping with him until they were married. I loved the metaphor of her shoving sweet potatoes in Sally's mouth as a way of forcing her daughter to accept the new arrangement. Poor Sally. She's going to need YEARS of therapy.

    I love that Roger wants to have a drink at the restaurant and Pete tells him there's no time for it. Roger is actually having to work, poor thing. He's still my favorite. Clearly the shine is off his marriage to Jane. I got the sense that he was dying to go back to the kind of "two guys out on the town picking up the ladies" relationship with Don. Thanksgiving was probably a nightmare for Roger and the only bright spot would have been sharing the misery with Don over cigarettes and port.

    Love Peggy's new look and confidence. (Although I didn't get the whole "John" "Marsha" thing at all). Hope to see more of Joan. I LOL when she promised not to tell anyone about Harry getting ABC to do a jai alai special "even after it's aired". HA!

    The whole Don/Hooker slapping incident left me squirming. He's punishing himself for sure. But it's not clear to me what he wants. Is he hesitant to push the passive-aggressive Betty out of the house because he risks her ratting on him about being Dick Whitman? Or is it because he wants things back the way they were? Great comeback by the way at the house: "Believe me Henry, everyone thinks this is temporary". SCORE!

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    Great episode. Although I found myself having to visually re-adjust to a different office and atmosphere.


    Did anyone notice the sign-o-the-times shift in this episode? It is now late '64 and the furniture/ladies' apparel/men's ties are all slightly more colorful? As the 60s progressed, colors became less staid in everyday life.

    I do want to see more of the outside political world of the mid-60s bleeding into SC.

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    You have to be a certain "age" to get "John and Marsha." It was an early sixties recording by comedian Stan Freberg. It was meant to parody the banality of dialogue in soap operas. Freberg played both parts: the entire recording is just the two characters addressing each other by name but with different emotions attached to the pronunciation of the names (happiness, tears, etc.). It probably sounds stupid these days, but it was wickedly funny back then!!! You could probably compare him to Wierd Al - he did a lot of terrific parodies.
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    I remember that and I wasn't born till 1975. I think that shows and ads were still using that parody when I came along.
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    Interesting stuff from the premiere. Loved Peggy's new hairdo, it was so becoming of her.

    Pete- he really seemed to be in his element. He's is smooth.

    Joan - Love Joannie. But did anyone else catch the way her desk is positioned in the office. I thought it was very telling. Also, I wonder if Joannie's husband is still in Vietnam.

    Don - Don's behavior was....more honest and angry. I loved how he called out the bathing suit guys, they were prudes and he was tired of those kinds of clients. The agency is getting ready to get very cutting edge in my opinion. Its like he wants to get punished(aka the hooker and slapping him). However, nothing changed much regarding his interaction with the kids, that was sad to see. I have the feeling that their daughter(can't remember her name) is gonna request living with Don.

    Betty - I don't think this guy is gonna stick with Betty. Betty seems to be still unfilled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by topaz View Post
    Betty - I don't think this guy is gonna stick with Betty. Betty seems to be still unfilled.
    Weiner has 3 main female characters. Peggy is the career minded, boundary-breaking woman in a man's world. Joan is an intriquing mix of the traditional and forward thinking and is a bit more sophisticated about balancing it all.

    That leaves Betty to continue to be unfullfilled woman that seems to have it all to the outside world. So I doubt we're going to see her transform any time soon. The sad truth is that many women that were married and had families in the 60's (my mother included) didn't allow themselved to be empowered by the feminist movement, clung with all their might to the traditional wife/mother role, and never explored themselves beyond that. That's not to say that women in that role even knew or were actually unsatisfied. Many WERE happy in those roles. And many didn't realize that they were unfulfilled until much later in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonfan View Post
    Weiner has 3 main female characters. Peggy is the career minded, boundary-breaking woman in a man's world. Joan is an intriquing mix of the traditional and foward thinking and is a bit more sophisticated about balancing it all.

    That leaves Betty to continue to be unfullfilled woman that seems to have it all to the outside world. So I doubt we're going to see her transform any time soon. The sad truth is that many women that were married and had families in the 60's (my mother included) didn't allow themselved to be empowered by the feminist movement, clung with all their might to the traditional wife/mother role, and never explored themselves beyond that.
    I also find Betty interesting in that she replaced Don with another Don. Henry slept with a married woman, came on to her while she was pregnant, etc. He is not exactly the epitome of ethical behavior.

    Remember that scene when Betty and Don were in Europe, and those two European men were hitting on Betty? She seemed beside with happiness herself to be out and about and living a life outside the home. When they returned, she even said something to Don about how it is so difficult for her to come back to that life.

    She is trying so hard to fight against the safety and security of her home life, but ultimately falls into it quite easily. I also find it shocking how much she takes out her unhappiness on her daughter.

    I think if Weiner were to flesh out the character (and January Jones had the acting chops to pull it off), there could be huge potential for the character beyond anyone else on the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydro View Post

    Remember that scene when Betty and Don were in Europe, and those two European men were hitting on Betty? She seemed beside with happiness herself to be out and about and living a life outside the home. When they returned, she even said something to Don about how it is so difficult for her to come back to that life.
    I forgot about that. There's also past examples of her trying to move beyond her traditional role like when she headed up some committee to stop the building of something (I forget what it was) and was successful in stopping it. She was giddy about it when she told Don. I also remember her feeling happy (prior to knowing Don's past) when she was able to help him at a client dinner. But still, she is her own worst enemy I think. She hasn't recognized that going from Don to Henry is essentially repeating the same pattern. I find her, and all of the women frankly, to be fascinating characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonfan View Post
    Weiner has 3 main female characters. Peggy is the career minded, boundary-breaking woman in a man's world. Joan is an intriquing mix of the traditional and forward thinking and is a bit more sophisticated about balancing it all.
    I love this show and am female. But funny thing, when I have talked to some of my female friends, 2 of them basically said they saw the show once or twice and didn't like it, especially because they could not relate to the women.

    To me the show really illustrates the paths based on when you were born.
    A character like Joan, if born in 1960 or 1970 would be a high powered, very successful business woman. Peggy would be higher up the ladder too if born later. Betty, who knows, but with more options, would be different, or maybe still as miserable. This show makes me glad I was not born earlier than I was.

    Also to me, I was born in 1960, and can remember some things like the ads and tv shows, some Moms no working etc, but it really highlights to me how much has changed in 45 - 50 years!

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    I enjoyed this episode. I like how the show is refreshed with new sets and characters. Random thoughts:

    - It'll take some time to get use to Peggy's new co-worker. He seemed a little bit anachronistic, too modern in appearance. Maybe it's the hair.
    - I'm intrigued by Peggy's b/f. I hope we get to learn much more about their relationship.
    - I'm glad to see Don brought over his old secretary. She's good. It's wishful thinking but I had hoped to see the secretary that ran over Guy's foot again, she's a hoot!
    - I'm waiting to see Sally run away from home. Poor thing, she's going to need therapy.
    - Don and the hooker; she seems to be a regular for him so maybe we'll be seeing more of her this season.

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