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    So let's look at Liberty:

    Women's had Denmark, USA, and Canada. Also Joelle Forte who either is or isn't competing for Azerbaijan. At times, you'll see a Mexican competitor or a Taipei competitor.

    Men's: Canada, USA, ITA. Sometimes you'll see Puerto Rico (back when Rohene Ward competed for PR). Viktor Pfeiffer (AUT) sometimes competes.

    Pairs: US & CAN. That's usually it. At Indy pairs, you might get Takahashi/Tran (JPN) as well.

    Dance: No dance competition at all.

    LPIDC dance draws from more than 4 federations, but has no other segments.

    Indy Pairs Challenge has pairs only.

    So it's doable, but at least 2 competitions would have to merge. Or one of the smaller competitions that has all 4 disciplines would have to enlarge.

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    And they'd have to place the B international wisely, geographically - because the reason why some of the international skaters go to Liberty is because they train in NJ, and it's not far. So I'm thinking the B comp would do best if it's in a location that's near several major training facilities.
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    It probably should be in Detroit, Ottawa, Toronto, or Indianapolis, to tell the truth; the hardest group to get multiple feds would be pairs & dance. Somehow it could be made to work for the other 2 disciplines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HisWeirness View Post

    What's probably more of a challenge is to get the 3-member Technical Panel to be from 3 different federations. However, a CAN-USA-MEX combo would not be too difficult or to put together, perhaps.
    Work to do MEX.... there are currently no MEX TS or TC (not even after the Frankfurt seminar which is just finished)

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    All these club-run events also offer lower level competitions and all are open to anyone who meets the test requirements and submits an application, with application fee, by the deadline.

    Occasionally in the past NAC events (novice and junior levels) were held in conjunction with large club competitions. Would this be something along those lines, but for seniors instead?

    What additional sanctioning hoops would the organizing committee have to go through? Or would USFigureSkating or Skate Canada step in and take full charge of the senior events?

    Some are held in arenas with seating for several thousand, but most are held at local rinks. Would there be minimum requirements for spectators or press, or hospitality for officials, for official senior B events than for club competitions that local rinks might have a harder time meeting?

    Would the extra requirements, if any, for the senior B international put constraints on the ability to offer, say, prejuvenile events earlier in the week or simultaneously on another ice surface?

    What kind of responsibility would the host club have for dealing with international travel etc.?

    How much would it just be adding an ISU sanction and designation to an existing club event, and how much would it require adding a new event to the federation's international hosting duties?

    It would be great if all the details could be worked out.

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    Why not have a "B" international during summer training in the USA? There are lots of skaters and coaches from Europe (actually some of them also qualified as TS) and many skaters would like their programs checked by an international panel at the end of the summercamp.

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    A good place then might be Lake Placid-which already has the LPIDC. It has 2arenas from the old Olympics (so the B comp could be run in the larger arena while the regular lower level comps could be held in arena number 2. It has run JGP events recently, so it probably has what it needs from the ISU point of view for a B comp.


    Liberty/Ice Works has 4 rinks but none of them has more seating than is needed for a HS hockey game, so it won't do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI View Post
    So let's look at Liberty:

    Women's had Denmark, USA, and Canada. Also Joelle Forte who either is or isn't competing for Azerbaijan. At times, you'll see a Mexican competitor or a Taipei competitor.

    Men's: Canada, USA, ITA. Sometimes you'll see Puerto Rico (back when Rohene Ward competed for PR). Viktor Pfeiffer (AUT) sometimes competes.

    Pairs: US & CAN. That's usually it. At Indy pairs, you might get Takahashi/Tran (JPN) as well.

    Dance: No dance competition at all.

    LPIDC dance draws from more than 4 federations, but has no other segments.

    Indy Pairs Challenge has pairs only.

    So it's doable, but at least 2 competitions would have to merge. Or one of the smaller competitions that has all 4 disciplines would have to enlarge.
    Joelle Forte represents USA.

    There is an ISU events every year in Czech Republic that is Ice Dance only (Pavel Roman Memorial).

    Not sure if you get world ranking points from it, though.

    gkelly - In regards to the points you raised, European B-Internationals usually attract zero spectators and zero press.

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    Finlandia seemed to have a huge crowd last year, but perhaps that's because it was the olympic season.
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    More like because of Takahashi. I've heard sizable Japanese fans went to FT last year thanks to appreciation of yen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI View Post
    So let's look at Liberty:



    LPIDC dance draws from more than 4 federations, but has no other segments.

    Indy Pairs Challenge has pairs only.
    Yous should have solely Dance or Pairs event, it is not mandatory to have all 4 of them, Pavel Roman Memorial or NRW Trophy (we have two, one for ID and one for S&P) are solely for Ice Dance and alaways counted for WS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoenNL View Post
    Work to do MEX.... there are currently no MEX TS or TC (not even after the Frankfurt seminar which is just finished)
    You´re not right. Former German skater Hopfes is now coaching in Mexico and is either ISU or Int. TS for singles. I know it because he was appointed to Ostrava JGP in 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oubik View Post
    You´re not right. Former German skater Hopfes is now coaching in Mexico and is either ISU or Int. TS for singles. I know it because he was appointed to Ostrava JGP in 2008.

    Cool! Hopfes had the best footwork - light, fast, and complex. Just a pleasure to watch.

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    Ricardo Olavarrietta was one of the first TS/TC's in the IJS if I remember correctly, and he was the technical specialist for the mens event at the 2010 Europeans, and assistant technical specialist at the World Championships, again in the mens competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Wheeler View Post
    Ricardo Olavarrietta was one of the first TS/TC's in the IJS if I remember correctly, and he was the technical specialist for the mens event at the 2010 Europeans, and assistant technical specialist at the World Championships, again in the mens competition.
    Yes, so we should easily covering both singles with Mexicans, the only problem should occur in pairs and dance, but there has to be somebody residing in the US or Canada with other passport who are on the ISU lists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    There is nothing stopping other skaters from competing at more competitions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Why doesn't USFS (or SC) organise a B-International then?

    I just can't get it.

    It would be great for all NA skaters and I guess closer than Europe for some Asian ones too?
    First, you are working on the assumption that all skaters are filthy rich, I suppose? To your 2nd argument, that IS a good point but again, a single skater can not control what their skating organization does or does not do. So while it would be great for USFS or SC to host a B international, it isn't Jane Doe's fault that she is broke and can't afford a trip to Europe OR that her organization wont host an event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    First, you are working on the assumption that all skaters are filthy rich, I suppose?
    USFS pays expenses of the skaters they send to international competitions, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    USFS pays expenses of the skaters they send to international competitions, no?
    I was under the impression that the skaters expenses are mostly covered but not their coaches and that is the really expensive part since the coach needs a plane ticket, hotel room, food allowance, etc and not to mention their lost $$ from other skaters while on this trip. I am sure others can chime in here but it is in no way a completely free trip to go to a competition, especially smaller B internationals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I was under the impression that the skaters expenses are mostly covered but not their coaches and that is the really expensive part since the coach needs a plane ticket, hotel room, food allowance, etc and not to mention their lost $$ from other skaters while on this trip.
    USFS covers the coaches' travel/hotel expenses for JGP/Sr. B/GP but does not cover coaches' lost wages. That amount is determined between the individual skater and coach and can vary widely.

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    The ISU has released the list of Referees, Judges, Technical Controllers, Technical Specialists, Data & Replay Operators 2010/2011 for Single & Pair Skating, Ice Dance and Synchronized Skating in Communication 1635.

    This is relevant to our discussion above regarding which nations have judges who could be used at a North American Senior B competition. Looks like MEX has 2 ISU judges for Singles/Pairs on this list and 2 ISU technical specialists for Singles.
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