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    ISU Introduces 'Season's World Ranking' and Points Changes - Comm. 1629

    Today the ISU published Communication 1629 on their website. This communication replaces Communication 1460 which used to govern World Standings.

    This communication changes some of the point values used to determine the ISU World Standings and introduces a new ranking, the "ISU Season's World Ranking."

    So, now the "World Standings" is the ranking system that takes into account results in two preceding seasons as well as the current season. The World Standings will still be used for ISU Championship draws and for GP assignments.

    The "Season's World Ranking" is based on the results of the current ongoing season only. The ISU describes it as follows:
    It has the main purpose to reflect the current competitive performances of the skaters and give the public and the media an indication of the current actual competitiveness of the skaters.
    The "Season's World Ranking" is basically a sorted list of how many World Standing Points skaters have earned in the current season only. The ISU has been internally keeping a list like this for a while to give out bonuses to the skaters who earned the most World Standings Points in a season. Now this list will be posted during the season on the ISU website and updated after each competition.


    Changes to the ISU World Standing/Season's World Ranking Points Rules:

    1. ISU says they will now identify international competitions that do not earn world standing points on their website Event Calendar.

    2. At ISU Championships (including Jr. Worlds) and the Olympics competitors only earn world standing points if they reach and finish the final Free Skating/Free Dance (1-24 in Singles, 1-16 in Pairs, and 1-20 in Ice Dance according to the new rules).
    The previous rules stated that places 1-24 in Singles and Dance get points and places 1-20 in Pairs get points.

    3. The number of world standing points available to be earned at Jr. Worlds and the JGP final have been reduced. The communication says that this was done to "reflect better the weight between all events valid for ISU World Standings /ISU Season’s World Ranking points."

    Ex. New (old) points for Jr. Worlds Medalists:
    500 (715)
    450 (644)
    405 (579)...etc.

    Ex. New (old) points for JGP Final:
    350 (600)
    315 (540)
    284 (486)
    255 (437)
    230 (394)
    207 (354)
    186 (319)
    167 (287)

    JGP event points remain the same, with the winner getting 250 points, second 225, and third 203.
    Last edited by HisWeirness; 07-21-2010 at 03:33 PM.

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    Thanks. These are all good changes.

    I think they should also do something about personal bests.

    The number of elements have been reduced in pretty much all programs since those have been introduced so it will be very hard for some skaters to beat them.

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    kinda of like it. now we can tell what the ranking is during the current skating seasons.
    so it will change ranking and standings going into this skating season-correct. or am i wrong.

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    Comm. 1629 AKA Kostner and Verner were never the number one skaters in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwantumleap View Post
    Comm. 1629 AKA Kostner and Verner were never the number one skaters in the world.
    There is nothing stopping other skaters from competing at more competitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by query5 View Post
    kinda of like it. now we can tell what the ranking is during the current skating seasons.
    so it will change ranking and standings going into this skating season-correct. or am i wrong.
    These changes take effect with the 2010-11 season. The only change really is that the ISU will make the Season's World Ranking list available during the season and that the world standings points awarded to Jr. Worlds and JGP Final have been reduced.

    The Season's World Ranking list will probably be meaningless until at least the Fall season (JGP and GP and Finals) is finished.

    You can go here and see the final 2009-10 Season's World Rankings for each discipline (old name was "World Standings Bonus" list).

    I think the Season's Best score list that the ISU regularly updates is another good measure of how a skater is performing in the current season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    There is nothing stopping other skaters from competing at more competitions.
    Not stopping, but certainly deterring broader participation: travel effort required for the skater (almost all of the events are in Europe) = training time lost, exhaustion, and expense , sa well as competition expenses for the skater and the federation (coaching fees, cost of sending team leader and medical support, etc.). All of this is much easier if you are only a short train or plane ride away.
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    Maybe the question should be,
    What's stopping NA and Asian federations from hosting any/more International Competitions (that count for world standing points)?

    Is it , geography, organizational resources or ???

    Not that this hasn't been discussed before whenever this points issue comes up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BittyBug View Post
    Not stopping, but certainly deterring broader participation: travel effort required for the skater (almost all of the events are in Europe) = training time lost, exhaustion, and expense , sa well as competition expenses for the skater and the federation (coaching fees, cost of sending team leader and medical support, etc.). All of this is much easier if you are only a short train or plane ride away.
    Why doesn't USFS (or SC) organise a B-International then?

    I just can't get it.

    It would be great for all NA skaters and I guess closer than Europe for some Asian ones too?

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    Sorry, but I am a little confused. So does this mean everyone is starting the season with zero points and only skaters who perhaps do an early event before the GP will have some points going into the GP?

    And does this mean they will do away with the skate order by world ranking at events?
    I meant to take the high road.... but I missed the exit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HisWeirness View Post
    Maybe the question should be,
    What's stopping NA and Asian federations from hosting any/more International Competitions (that count for world standing points)?

    Is it , geography, organizational resources or ???

    Not that this hasn't been discussed before whenever this points issue comes up.
    "B" Asian and NA competitions could be held, yes, but such competitions would probably not meet the criteria for the number of competitors from different federations/regions---for the same reasons that not many NA and Asian competitors go to European "B" competitions.

    A competition in Europe can get enough contenders from different countries to more than meet the minimum requirements in order to get ISU World Ranking points. I don't think NA and Asian competitions could draw enough competitors from outside their regions to qualify for World Ranking points. The only way to draw outside competitors would be to offer huge prize money, and that is probably not going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peibeck View Post
    Sorry, but I am a little confused. So does this mean everyone is starting the season with zero points and only skaters who perhaps do an early event before the GP will have some points going into the GP?

    And does this mean they will do away with the skate order by world ranking at events?
    Nope it means that the old system stays but they are also going to be showing a list of skaters earning the highest number of points in a given season.

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    Will the new values for JW and JGPF apply to the 3-season World Ranking list also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by euterpe View Post
    Will the new values for JW and JGPF apply to the 3-season World Ranking list also?
    I would imagine that since law cannot work backwards, it will start applying from this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euterpe View Post
    Will the new values for JW and JGPF apply to the 3-season World Ranking list also?
    For this season, yes. I am not sure if it will be retroactively applied. I'm assuming that the new points system will be used to award points this season and the points already awarded in previous seasons will be unchanged.

    Quote Originally Posted by euterpe View Post
    I don't think NA and Asian competitions could draw enough competitors from outside their regions to qualify for World Ranking points. The only way to draw outside competitors would be to offer huge prize money, and that is probably not going to happen.
    Looking at the rosters for big NA competitions like Liberty, I don't think it would be that difficult to have skaters from at least four different federations present at a senior comp in singles and dance and three different federations in pairs. The USA and Canada have tons of skaters, plus there are always skaters training in NA that represent other countries.

    What's probably more of a challenge is to get the 3-member Technical Panel to be from 3 different federations. However, a CAN-USA-MEX combo would not be too difficult or to put together, perhaps.

    Here are the qualifications for a Senior Competition to "count" for points:
    1.4 International Senior Competitions, provided there are minimum 8 single skaters, respectively 6 Ice Dance couples out of four ISU Members present respectively 5 Pairs out of three ISU Members.

    1.5 Events, mentioned under paragraph 1.4, in which the Technical Panel (Technical Controller and the two (2) Technical Specialists) are from three (3) different ISU Members.

    1.6 Regional International Competition (e.g. Nordics, Asian Winter Games etc.) or competitions, which are open only for special groups of skaters (e.g. Universiade, events with invitations only to designated Members (except the ISU Grand Prix events), etc.) will not count for the ISU World Standings/Season’s World Ranking (The International Competitions falling into this category will be identified in the Event Calendar published on the ISU website www.isu.org).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HisWeirness View Post
    Looking at the rosters for big NA competitions like Liberty, I don't think it would be that difficult to have skaters from at least four different federations present at a senior comp in singles and dance and three different federations in pairs. The USA and Canada have tons of skaters, plus there are always skaters training in NA that represent other countries.

    What's probably more of a challenge is to get the 3-member Technical Panel to be from 3 different federations. However, a CAN-USA-MEX combo would not be too difficult to put together, perhaps.
    Yeah, I am very surprised that USFS doesn't go for something like that.

    There are skaters from many different countries training in the US and Canada, after all, as you pointed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Nope it means that the old system stays but they are also going to be showing a list of skaters earning the highest number of points in a given season.
    Thanks Ziggy, that makes more sense to me now.

    On the other topic of the USFS and Skate Canada holding some "B" international events, I think that would be great. But it does seem like most of the countries holding "B" events are also not already hosting more costly Grand Prix events.
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    It is something I hope USFSA and Skate Canada are looking into. Whenever they select locations for their GP events and nationals, there is always moaning from people on the other side of the country. So if they look at this as a way to market the sport and have a presence in a part of the country that can't conveniently get to Nationals or the GP, perhaps it would be more enticing. And cities that are looking to prove they would be good hosts will have an opportunity to get great experience hosting an event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
    And cities that are looking to prove they would be good hosts will have an opportunity to get great experience hosting an event.
    This is a really good point. A Senior B competition could be used as a test-event for potential or future event cities. They wouldn't have to necessarily hold it at a large venue (like one that would be used to hold US Nationals), but the organizational/club team would get excellent experience dealing with high-level competition details and USFSA officials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peibeck View Post
    On the other topic of the USFS and Skate Canada holding some "B" international events, I think that would be great. But it does seem like most of the countries holding "B" events are also not already hosting more costly Grand Prix events.
    I am sure Grand Prix events actually bring profit and don't run on a loss.

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