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    The ending of Inception - don't read if you don't want to be spoiled!

    Has anybody watched Inception? I just saw it and really liked it... Only thing that's driving me crazy is the ending. By the time it got to the ending I'd forgotten what they said the spinning top was supposed to represent - if it kept on spinning, was that supposed to represent reality or dream??

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    I think the top was just about to fall when they cut away. Nolan's evil like that.

    It's really up to interpretation, but I personally believe that Cobb (Leo's character) is

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    But that's just what I think. I actually don't believe it matters in the big picture, because the movie is Cobb's story and that he

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    ^what she said.

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    DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET SPOILED!!!

    An AWESOME AWESOME movie. Absolutely loved it.

    The idea is if the top kept spinning, then you're in a dream. That's why when leo did his first inception to his wife during their 50+ year dream, he spun the top in the safe and locked it, so that whenever she sees it spinning, she'd realize she's in a dream, until she couldn't take it anymore and went under the train with leo to return to reality. Problem is, the inception was made, and the thoughts kept creeping in her mind until she killed herself in the real world. It's funny though, when the camera cut off before the top stops spinning, the whole theater went "AWWWW!" and 2 seconds later they were all clapping with a standing o "Wheeeee Canada!"

    One thing I didn't get though: at the beginning, when they were trying to do the extraction from Ken Watanabi, they had to flee the train before he wakes up so he wouldn't recognize them, but he was able to remember them and get them anyways. Why couldn't Fisher remember them at the end of the movie when they were all in the airplane with him after he woke up?

    I gotta say I had some intense discussions about this movie with my friends after it finished and all the way through dinner. Can't remember the last time a movie engaged us like that

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    Saw it this afternoon, visually gorgeous and well thought out.

    Unfortunately, since the internet is rife with articles titled "Inception's last scene", I knew there was a twist, and went in looking for it. I figured out what the twist would be from the first scene, but not the 'how'. No matter - getting there was the fun of it, and the ending was open enough that people can make their own decisions about exactly what's going on (for the record, I believe that Leo and Watanabe are stuck in limbo forever, but that the rest of it was real).

    I also kept thinking about poor Leo having to be always in the water...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-FAN View Post
    One thing I didn't get though: at the beginning, when they were trying to do the extraction from Ken Watanabi, they had to flee the train before he wakes up so he wouldn't recognize them, but he was able to remember them and get them anyways. Why couldn't Fisher remember them at the end of the movie when they were all in the airplane with him after he woke up?

    I gotta say I had some intense discussions about this movie with my friends after it finished and all the way through dinner. Can't remember the last time a movie engaged us like that
    The first architect Nash (the guy played by Lukas Haas) is in the helicopter with Saito, Watanabe's character. Apparently

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    Otherwise Saito wouldn't know who they were either.

    On other forums, we've been discussing what the

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    I think they do explain it in dialogue but of course we all missed that detail.

    I'm also still wondering how

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    Funny thing is that since it's in a high-concept dream world, you're never sure if the nitpicky plot holes like that really matter in the long run.

    Quote Originally Posted by genevieve View Post
    Unfortunately, since the internet is rife with articles titled "Inception's last scene", I knew there was a twist, and went in looking for it. I figured out what the twist would be from the first scene, but not the 'how'. No matter - getting there was the fun of it, and the ending was open enough that people can make their own decisions about exactly what's going on (for the record, I believe that Leo and Watanabe are stuck in limbo forever, but that the rest of it was real).
    Actually, Nolan ALWAYS gives you clues to the last "twisty" scene in the first shot to his more twisty movies. So knowing what the ending is really doesn't matter in the long run, it's always how you get there.

    In Memento, the first shot is the last thing that happens in the movie's timeline. The entire movie is seeing how they got there. In The Prestige, the first shot tells you everything you need to know to get the significance of the last shot, but you only make the connection after you see the whole film. For someone going in cold, they'd just think, "What's with the pile of hats?"

    I could even go further. For The Dark Knight, the first shot of the first trailer was the last shot of the movie. For Inception, the first shot of the first trailer is essentially the last shot of the movie. He drops these clues all the time, it isn't like Shyamalan where you can't know the end going in or else the point of the movie's completely ruined.

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    And anyone who wants a crazy/awesome deep analysis of what Inception might actually mean, there's this article I just read:

    http://chud.com/articles/articles/24...ION/Page1.html

    He basically makes the argument that Inception is a metaphor for cinema, and in that manner, it doesn't matter at all if the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-FAN View Post
    DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET SPOILED!!!

    An AWESOME AWESOME movie. Absolutely loved it.

    The idea is if the top kept spinning, then you're in a dream. That's why when leo did his first inception to his wife during their 50+ year dream, he spun the top in the safe and locked it, so that whenever she sees it spinning, she'd realize she's in a dream, until she couldn't take it anymore and went under the train with leo to return to reality. Problem is, the inception was made, and the thoughts kept creeping in her mind until she killed herself in the real world. It's funny though, when the camera cut off before the top stops spinning, the whole theater went "AWWWW!" and 2 seconds later they were all clapping with a standing o "Wheeeee Canada!"
    I liked it very much; I found it very entertaining for a hot summer afternoon, but in my theater no one went awww. The jaded New Yorkers around me just laughed. Overall I give it a B+.

    Re: the ending, it's up to the viewer to decide its meaning. The important point is that, for Dom, he has moved on without Mal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita18 View Post
    He drops these clues all the time, it isn't like Shyamalan where you can't know the end going in or else the point of the movie's completely ruined.
    It's not that the clues were bad - but the internet hype talking about the ending did ruin it just a little for me because I could not just enjoy the film - my brain was looking for the twists in every corner. I wish I had gone to see the film on Friday so I could have avoided the internet chat (even the title of this thread gives away too much IMO).
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    Two thoughts:

    1. Has anyone read Haruki Murakami's Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World? Doesn't this movie remind you of the book?

    2. Wouldn't it be cool if the last shot was Michael Cain knocking that thing over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genevieve View Post
    It's not that the clues were bad - but the internet hype talking about the ending did ruin it just a little for me because I could not just enjoy the film - my brain was looking for the twists in every corner. I wish I had gone to see the film on Friday so I could have avoided the internet chat (even the title of this thread gives away too much IMO).
    You know that that means...you'll have to see it again!

    What's funny is that usually I spoil myself silly before going into a movie - I like seeing the construction, watching movies isn't about being surprised about where it ends up. (That's probably why Nolan is my favorite director, he uses the movie's construction very blatantly for thematic and story purposes.)

    And I managed to avoid most of the story point spoilers for Inception, although I did know going in that the last shot was going to be a doozy. I want to see it again to see how Nolan built it and ponder over the theories I've developed in my head for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by emason View Post
    I liked it very much; I found it very entertaining for a hot summer afternoon, but in my theater no one went awww. The jaded New Yorkers around me just laughed. Overall I give it a B+.
    That would explain why most of the New York critics panned this movie. That explains EVERYTHING.
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    I managed to pretty much follow things for the first two-thirds of the movie, and then there were just too many dream levels and too many things to remember.

    I thought that, if you had the token, that meant that you were in reality. That's why Ellen Page's character created her token before she went adventuring in the dreams. Whichever it is, I thought the ending was deliberately left ambiguous. I'm not sure the token would work if you had brought your memories into the dream because the memories could include the token and then it wouldn't really work.

    I tend to believe that he ended up in reality. Maybe because that's what I want to believe, but also because I don't think he would have created a dream where she died and because it seemed that inception did work (or did the inception with the heir only appear to work because it was a dream?)

    Anyway, I managed to very much enjoy the movie despite getting lost in all the many parts of the multi-layered dream. I would have liked them to cut out one layer of the dream and about half an hour--because my lame brain couldn't keep track of it all. I'm glad I saw it in the theatre instead of waiting for it to come out on DVD because the visuals were great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita18 View Post


    That would explain why most of the New York critics panned this movie. That explains EVERYTHING.
    Most, but not all - The New York Daily News gave it *****. on the front page no less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allskate View Post

    I thought that, if you had the token, that meant that you were in reality.
    No, the token/totem appears in both reality and dreams. It's how it behaves in one world versus the other that lets you know where you truly are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita18 View Post
    You know that that means...you'll have to see it again!
    Yes, I was just thinking I'd like to see it again.

    ssminnow - I haven't read that particular Murakami book, but I'll put it next on my Murakami list
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    Quote Originally Posted by emason View Post
    No, the token/totem appears in both reality and dreams. It's how it behaves in one world versus the other that lets you know where you truly are.
    So, the pawn that the architect made would behave differently in reality versus a dream? Hmm. I still don't get how you would prevent memories of the token in the real world from infecting your dream and fooling you. Maybe I'm just imagining new ambiguities and complexities in addition to the gazillion the movie already gave me.

    I think this is a movie people will see over and over again to try to see what they missed the first (and second and third) time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emason View Post
    I liked it very much; I found it very entertaining for a hot summer afternoon, but in my theater no one went awww. The jaded New Yorkers around me just laughed. Overall I give it a B+.

    Re: the ending, it's up to the viewer to decide its meaning. The important point is that, for Dom, he has moved on without Mal.
    Haha, ditto. The Murray Hill crowd gave the exact same reaction.

    Yeah, I thought the movie was original,very entertaining, and very well made, especially after the first third, despite the previously mentioned plot holes .

    slightly OT, but I hope Brian Joubert skates to the score

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    There was a twist at the end? I guess I missed it. They sure dragged that boring thing out. Seemed like a nice Hollywood wrap up to me. The spinning top was hardly worth noticing.

    What's with the need for everything to be accompanied by shoot-em-ups and the like? Whatever possibility the movie had was killed off by all that. And it was too dang loud.

    Before it got too boring, I did get a few chuckles out of how hard it was reaching to be try to make the whole idea work.
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    i don't think i could ever see this movie. my dreams scare the crap out of me, a freaky movie about dreams would make it worse. this movie would be a horror flick for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueRidge View Post
    There was a twist at the end? I guess I missed it. They sure dragged that boring thing out. Seemed like a nice Hollywood wrap up to me. The spinning top was hardly worth noticing.

    What's with the need for everything to be accompanied by shoot-em-ups and the like? Whatever possibility the movie had was killed off by all that. And it was too dang loud.

    Before it got too boring, I did get a few chuckles out of how hard it was reaching to be try to make the whole idea work.

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    Shoot 'em ups are fun. I likes me a good heist movie. For a more direct explanation,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badams View Post
    i don't think i could ever see this movie. my dreams scare the crap out of me, a freaky movie about dreams would make it worse. this movie would be a horror flick for me.
    Actually, I have some really freaky dreams (including not being able to properly wake from multi-level dreams) and this movie wasn't too bad at all. In the first viewing, you'll be busy keeping up with the plot to be too freaked out.

    It doesn't resemble most people's actual dreams because it's lacking in surrealism. The dreams play out quite realistically. I saw it as an artistic choice by the director Chris Nolan because Leo states in the movie, "Dreams feel real while we're in them." Since the audience is awake while they watch the movie, Nolan chose to blur the line between real and dream by making the dream world realistic.

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