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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    I heard that Frank got Karen in order to get Michelle. Danny Kwan did not want them to be apart. Frank was okay with it because Karen was good enough to fit in.
    Interesting!

    I was fascinated by Karen/Michelle because of the lack of physical similarity between them.
    If I hadn't known that they were sisters, I might not have guessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinky166 View Post
    2 coaches that don't seem to have such issues: Nikolai Morozov and Tom Z.

    Morozov was coaching Shizuka and Miki at the same time for a while right? And also Oda and Takahashi?

    Tom Z. was coaching Abbott and Bradley for a while before Abbott switched and currently he has Flatt and Zawadzki and Gilles, though Alexe is a notch below the other 2 girls at this point.
    Miki went to Morozov after the 2005-2006 season when Shizuka had retired by that point. Miki was with Carol Heiss-Jenkins during 05-06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    Jill Trenary and Caryn Kadavy both had Carlo Fassi as their coach. Caryn did leave Fassi later because of the rivalry between her and Jill..
    interesting and I am assuming this was after the Olympic season. Who was Caryn's coach after that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    I heard that Frank got Karen in order to get Michelle. Danny Kwan did not want them to be apart. Frank was okay with it because Karen was good enough to fit in.
    I heard that Linda Fratianne's mother had something to do with Frank being approached to coach Michelle and Karen. But sure they probably both came as a package deal, tho' I wonder whether Frank saw more potential in Michelle when they were young. I believe Karen had a lot of wonderful qualities as a skater, and that she inspired Michelle in many ways. Karen choreographed Michelle's latest exhibition, Winter Song -- it's quintessential Michelle!

    On manleywoman's podcast, Frank indicated that he coaches a lot of students of all ages, those who are serious about progressing in the sport, as well as people who are just interested in learning because they enjoy skating and want to improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinky166 View Post
    2 coaches that don't seem to have such issues: Nikolai Morozov and Tom Z.

    Morozov was coaching Shizuka and Miki at the same time for a while right? And also Oda and Takahashi?

    Tom Z. was coaching Abbott and Bradley for a while before Abbott switched and currently he has Flatt and Zawadzki and Gilles, though Alexe is a notch below the other 2 girls at this point.
    i don't think morosov coached both Shizuka and Miki at the same time... Miki only came to morosov after the disastrous performance at 2006 olympics, and by that time Shizuka was in semi-retirement

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    Lee Barkell had both Jeff Buttle and Chris Mabee (and Joey Russell) competing at Canadians at the same time. Obviously, Jeff was the most successful of the bunch. The most 'even' skaters I think Lee had was when he had both Jeff and Nobunari Oda competing in senior at the same time, where Oda came 4th at his first Worlds (Jeff was 6th that year) then Oda was 7th the next (Jeff 6th again). At the 2006 GPF Jeff was 2nd, Oda was 3rd. Of course Jeff won Worlds the following year (when Oda took his break) so that's the extent of their major competitions.

    Also, didn't Rafael have Jeff at the same time as Ivan Dinev? Again, Jeff was more successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerek View Post
    interesting and I am assuming this was after the Olympic season. Who was Caryn's coach after that?
    I don't remember. I think it was either an old coach she had prior to Fassi, or maybe it was Evelyn Kramer, the Spin Doctor, whom we often saw by her side in all those pro competitions that Karyn competed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    I heard that Frank got Karen in order to get Michelle. Danny Kwan did not want them to be apart. Frank was okay with it because Karen was good enough to fit in.
    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    Interesting!

    I was fascinated by Karen/Michelle because of the lack of physical similarity between them.
    If I hadn't known that they were sisters, I might not have guessed.
    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    I heard that Linda Fratianne's mother had something to do with Frank being approached to coach Michelle and Karen. But sure they probably both came as a package deal, tho' I wonder whether Frank saw more potential in Michelle when they were young. I believe Karen had a lot of wonderful qualities as a skater, and that she inspired Michelle in many ways. Karen choreographed Michelle's latest exhibition, Winter Song -- it's quintessential Michelle!
    Let's make something VERY CLEAR, I said Karen was good enough to fit in. She was at least top 7 at 3 Sr. Nationals in a row and received international assignments. Furthermore, Karen is a very good coach, by all accounts. She would have been a very desirable pupil by any coach.

    However, Danny needed for his family to be in a maximum of 2 locations, so when every coach and their sister wanted coachless Triple Toe landing Michelle Kwan after 1991 Jr Nationals, Danny said Michelle and Karen had to stay together.
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    My comment about Karen and Michelle wasn't a negative one.

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    Doug Leigh had Elvis and Steven Cousins at the same time, although I'm sure Robert Tebby was more than influential with the latter.

    Kudriatsevs had (every eastern Euro lady at some point?) Volchkova and Lautowa at the same time. Vika has a hatrick of euro medals, Lautowa managed an 8th at worlds and was IMHO the better skater.

    Steuer had S&S, Fitze and Rex and then Volosozhar and Morozov at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    My comment about Karen and Michelle wasn't a negative one.
    I know . . . If anything, it would be MY FAULT if it became negative since I started it, although Karen was a very good skater and is a good coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seerek View Post
    interesting and I am assuming this was after the Olympic season. Who was Caryn's coach after that?

    After the 88 season Kadavy relocated to Illinois and was being coached by woman who's name I can't remember now.....Charlene someone? <g> No one famous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCrunch View Post
    After the 88 season Kadavy relocated to Illinois and was being coached by woman who's name I can't remember now.....Charlene someone? <g> No one famous.
    Charlene Wong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-FAN View Post
    Charlene Wong?
    Errr . . . I doubt that since Charlene would have been on of Caryn's competitors if they ended up at the same international competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bardtoob View Post
    I know . . . If anything, it would be MY FAULT if it became negative since I started it, although Karen was a very good skater and is a good coach.
    And she is an amazing choreographer, too! A friend of mine told me that not too long ago Karen was choreographing Michelle's new EX programs, and watching them skate together was just breathtaking.

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    A friend of mine told me that not too long ago Karen was choreographing Michelle's new EX programs, and watching them skate together was just breathtaking
    Thanks for sharing that!

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    I loved Karen Kwan's skating.
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