if you are talking about program with regards to coaches,
sasha to tat wasn't good, wagner wasn't good, same old same old,
technique improved under tat disater under sarah's coach
mao coachless, under tat-programs diaster, technique so-so
abbott under yuka-disaster,
for all the coaching changes, the programs don't improve under new coaches they usually stay the same and/or get worse. What should improve under coaching changes is the skaters mental, technique that should improved, but because figure skating in more muscle memory alot of times it doesn't improve and or gets worse.
it still about the talent and mental ability of the skater not about the coach, and who the judges, and federations are willing to overlook their screwups,
under michelle no-one over looked her mishaps.
also, -- i actually think the Siudek's coaching change to Gauthier in '03 was good for them. They had more success that yr before her shoulder injury, and they seemed to have a great working relationship.
How about these food-for-thought oldies -
Rodnina/Zaitzev from Zhuk to Tarasova in the 70s. Good? Bad? Or didn't matter?
Fratianne electing to stay with FC over politically strong Carlo Fassi [coach of Peggy, Dorothy and John Curry] in 1979. Lost the gold in '80 by a smidge to Poetzsch.
Tiffany Chin - what a mess! FC to John Nicks to Don Laws back to FC. Who was the best coach for her and who would've taken her the furthest?
Nicole Bobek- from Richard Callaghan to Carlo Fassi. Good or bad?
The Good - Mirai to FC from Charlene Wong; Rippon to Orser from Morozov; Yagudin to Tat from Mishin; Goebel to FC from Heiss-Jenkins; Arakawa to Tat from Callaghan; Kwan to Arutunian from Williams; Kwan from coachless to Williams
The Bad - Cohen to Wagner; Kwan to coachless
Can't quantify - Abbott from Zakrzajek [sp?] to Sato [too early]; B/A to Linichuk from Shpilband [better skills but dumped by 2009-10 season]; McBru from Sappenfield to Nicks [alas, we will never know]
Tiffany Chin should have stayed with Frank Carroll. He got her to a Jr. World Championship with solid balanced technique in figures and free skating and she was doing the 3A, 3F, 3Lp, 3S, and 3T in practice. Mr. Nicks did will in terms of enhancing her development, but he really only added PIZZAZZ!!! to her skating. Too bad the person in charge of her development always thought the grass was greener elsewhere.
I also do not think changing to coaches with different technique is advisable, and I think FC's Bostonian-MVO technique was not all that compatible with Mr. Nick's British technique, which is why she declined. By the time she ended up with Don Laws, the mechanics of her jumps were too muttled. One would have thought she never had consistent triples.
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deleted because I have no idea what I'm talking about!
(at least I'm honest)
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Yu-na Kim to Orser - she was able to live up to her talent and stay off injuries for the most part.
Shizuka to Tarasova - she won her world title and while her following season was a disaster, that was from her lack of motivation
Shizuka to Morozov - the partnership was relatively short but he was able to get her to peak at the Torino.
^ TARASOVA. It would have been expensive for Johnny, but it would also not have been a cheap substitute.
TAT brought out the best in Kulik and Yagudin, I am sure she could have done the same to Weir. But Weir probably wouldn't fully listen to her either. Didn't she want him to skate to Liebstraum in 2006? Instead he chose to take inspiration from Slutskaya's trashy "feed the chicken" program, before finally falling back to Otonal
Like Galina, TAT would probably focus on having Weir go clean, but I am sure she could have added some fire and some highlight to his skating too. You gotta admit, as trashy as his recent Olympic outfits were, the actual skating was very dull.
But Shizuka didn't peak at Torino. Peaking means that she skated her best. She didn't. It was adequate to get the job done when the favorites imploded but it did not compare to her 2004 World winning performance.Shizuka to Morozov - the partnership was relatively short but he was able to get her to peak at the Torino.
ETA: Even this long abandoned program has a look and feel that makes me feel like I am watching JOHNNY WEIR
Johnny Weir 2005 Japan International Challenge LP
Johnny Weir - US Nats 2006 - LP Selections by Maksim Mrvica
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