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    In how many more Olympics beyond '88 could Boitano have medalled....

    ..with that set of performances in '88, and where on the podium would he have been - in '92? '94? '98? anywhere beyond that?

    Just curious. I rewatched his '88 performance out of boredom and was in awe of his skating skills and technical abilities - big 3x's with one in combo, huge 'tano Lutz, 3f-3t late in the program, those death drops, spread eagles, artistry.

    I think he could've won '92 against Petrenko and against Urmanov in '94. The jump combos du jour in the early '90s were 3x-3t but I think he could've made up for that in every other area. Any chance for the podium with those performances in '98 against Kulik, Stojko, Candeloro, Eldredge? I don't recall anyone besides Kulik doing a Quad. How about Quad city in '02? - probably not

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    92- would have won easily. The big guns all skated poorly for their standards (Wylie was not one of the big guns).

    94- hmmm not sure. Should have won, but the judges loved Urmanov's artistry and probably liked it more than Boitano's so who knows. Would have beaten Stojko whose artistry was even less liked by judges.

    98- Would have won silver. A quadless Stojko is very beatable as much as I admired his incredibly gutsy performance and even the performance level was subpar for him due to injury, while Candelero really lucked out to medal this year. Eldredge of course bombed. May have even had a chance of winning since he was a better skater than Kulik at this point outside of Kulik's quad toe but doubtful as the judges probably prefer Kulik's artistry too.

    2002- No chance probably. Maybe a silver or bronze if the judges went for all around looked past the quad mania and focused on all around quality jumping and skating to a degree. Plushenko made a huge error in the SP and was well well off in the LP, and Goebel wasnt anything to write home about outside the quads. Would depend on the stance the judges took.

    2006- silver was possible/probable given all the mistakes of Lambiel and Buttle, and in addition to the mistakes Buttle himself had no quad (other then the attempt he fell on) and Lambiel no triple axel.

    2010- I think he would have won, atleast I would have put him 1st.

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    His best shot for Gold would have been 92. 94 possibly an outside chance but most likely silver. 98, bronze and an outside chance for silver and 2002 it would have been embarrassing. 2006 and 2010 he is what 47? No way!
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    in 1992, he would have definitely won.

    1994- win by a slight margin. Technically his program was a tad harder than Urmanov's, and his slight 2-footed 3Axel vs. Urmanov's huge step out on flip would have guaranteed him a higher first mark. Re second mark- i think this is up to the judges taste. Both men had great moves in the field, great usage of one footed turns, and amazing ice coverage. I would probably have given Boitano 1st due to the strength of his transitions, variety of spins, and trademark moves at the end of the program- spread eagle to die for, and the fabulous Russian splits. Ended the program off with more of a bang, imo.

    1998- silver, next to the flawless Kulik who had a harder program. Other than Kulik, the rest of the men just did not deliver (Eldredge, Yagudin, Stojko)

    2002- bronze (?) because I think Plushenko's attempt at the most difficult men's program would have given him an edge. Also, Plushenko's basics were also very good at the time, as good as Brian's. Even his Biellman spin was rather impressive

    2006-silver.

    2010-gold. (considering he was able to add more complexity, program-wise in his LP).
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    Yeah I am pretty sure the only Olympics he wouldnt have won atleast silver with the same performance would have been 2002. Winning silver in 98 wouldnt have been hard. The only reason Stojko won silver with that performance was Eldredge bombing his performance, he even lost to Candelero in the long program.

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    I see BB winning '92 and '94, getting a silver against a quadless Stojko and easily passing Candeloro and Eldredge bombing the LP in '98, but don't see him winning against Kulik with a quad and a 3x-3t.

    Unfortunately, I don't see him on the podium in '02 due to Quad-mania w/ 3 quads from Goebel, the performance of the last 2 decades from Yagudin, and Plushenko with one of the most ambitious performances. Although Plushenko did fall in the SP but still only went down to 4th I believe, so Plush probably would've controlled his own destiny vs. Boitano

    '06 and '10 were too CoP oriented for BB's '88 performances IMO. Plushenko and Lambiel with his artistry, spins and Quad were better. But, in '06 Buttle was ragged for the Bronze and had nothing harder than a 3x even with incredible CoP capabilities. Makes you wonder how BB could've been a threat that far into the future!

    Still, I think it is a testament to how his [and Orser's] performances have held up over time that BB '88 could've won and/or been on the podium thru the next decade and further....
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    1992 - Gold
    1994 - Gold
    1998 - Silver
    2002 - not sure it would have medalled
    2006 and 2010 are hard to decide. Enough to medal in term of jumps, but CoP is more than jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOIJTO View Post
    His best shot for Gold would have been 92. 94 possibly an outside chance but most likely silver. 98, bronze and an outside chance for silver and 2002 it would have been embarrassing. 2006 and 2010 he is what 47? No way!
    If we just talk about the performances as skated in 1988, there's no problem with age.

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    Considering he only did a 2flip as the solo jump in the sp, I doubt he would remain in title contention even in 1992 when the solo jump can be a triple, let alone subsequent years when the quad was allowed.

    The lp however can probably be very competitive for top 3 in all subsequent Olympics mens lps.

    1992 - 1st
    1994 - 1st even though I love Urmanov
    1998 - 2nd
    2002 - 3rd
    2006 - 2nd
    2010 - 2nd

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    He did only a 2flip as his solo jump in the SP since that was the rule at the time. It would have been ridiculously easy for Boitano to do a triple lutz out of footwork, triple flip- triple toe combination, and triple axel for his SP jumps back in 1988 if the rules allowed it.

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    As many as he wanted! Boitano is skate god for life. He just kept getting better and better as a Pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmscfdcsu View Post
    He just kept getting better and better as a Pro.
    Once Brian started to lose to Browning then his performances didn't seem so special anymore. I think by that time Brian's creativity was starting to get stale anyway. It was looking to be the same old, same old, especially when stacked against Browning's tremendous versatility and even Wylie's unbeatable passion on the ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    Once Brian started to lose to Browning then his performances didn't seem so special anymore. I think by that time Brian's creativity was starting to get stale anyway. It was looking to be the same old, same old, especially when stacked against Browning's tremendous versatility and even Wylie's unbeatable passion on the ice.
    In your opinion. However, in my opinion, nothing compares to the speed and pure skating ability of Boitano. And those edges!!!

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    1992 I can't remember, so I can't say there. I recently rewatched 1994 performances, and I think he could have got the gold there with his 1988 performances, unless the judges rewarded Urmanov a little too much for being Soviet. In 1998 he would have ended up with the silver or bronze, I think, probably the bronze. Stojko's jump content was still probably better than Boitano 1988, even though I can't remember exactly what jumps Stojko did that particular night. In 2002 I don't think Boitano would have medalled at all, because judges were ALL about jumps in 2002, and Yagudin, Goebel and Plushenko all had the big tricks. In 2006 Boitano maybe could have got bronze or silver. I can't remember what Lambiel and Buttle actually did, but I remember that they weren't at their best. He could never have beat Plushenko 2006 though! I disagree with people that Boitano would have won the gold in 2010. I would put him more like bronze, if that. Even though COP isn't all about jumps, his jump content still probably would have been too low to get enough points to put him past Lysacek, Plushenko, or even Takahashi. IIRC, his jump content was more similar to Patrick Chan's, who of course was 5th in Van.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    If we just talk about the performances as skated in 1988, there's no problem with age.
    I stand by my opinion age or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    He did only a 2flip as his solo jump in the SP since that was the rule at the time. It would have been ridiculously easy for Boitano to do a triple lutz out of footwork, triple flip- triple toe combination, and triple axel for his SP jumps back in 1988 if the rules allowed it.
    Would it have been ridiculously easy for Kwan to land a 3flip?

    The original poster said with the same set of performances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Would it have been ridiculously easy for Kwan to land a 3flip?

    The original poster said with the same set of performances.
    It isnt practical to hold short program rules and restrictions (such as being REQUIRED to do a simple double flip as one of your jumps in the short program) in place at the time against a time though, rather then what their ability even at the time was to actually do.

    And Boitano is a much stronger jumper than Kwan ever was. He probably has the best triple lutz and triple flip EVER for a man. I cant think of anyone who does those jumps better.

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    With his 1988 performance Boitano would have had

    - gold medal in 1992
    - silver medal in 1994
    - silver medal in 1998

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    1992 - Gold
    1994 - Silver
    1998 - Silver
    2002 - Bronze
    2006 - Silver
    2010 - Gold, and by a landslide ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmscfdcsu View Post
    In your opinion. However, in my opinion, nothing compares to the speed and pure skating ability of Boitano. And those edges!!!
    Amen. I love watching his SP and LP from his 87-88 season. And his pro stuff was amazing. He and Wylie were the main reasons I loved the pro comps so much.

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