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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Working very hard and being consistent doesn't make someone a great or interesting skater. It just means you're dedicated to and determined at your craft and that you're a strong competitor.
    That is the point.

    Everything about Lysacek's skating defines BLAND and his "triple" axels should have been getting consistently downgraded or at least marked down on GOE.

    I am still very sad that both Takahashi and Lambiel weren't able to skate to their full potential in Vancouver. Those two were definitely much more deserving than either Lysacek or Plushenko.

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    There is little doubt Plushenko came back thinking that quadless world champions meant that he could win again no problem if he could still do them. Oops! Now it terms of comebacks he was better than Boitano and Petrenko. Everyone probably believed he was better than them to begin with!!!
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    I'll miss seeing his 3axel hope he will consistantly practice so we see him win in 2011-2012 I think he can get his us title back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    That is the point.

    Everything about Lysacek's skating defines BLAND and his "triple" axels should have been getting consistently downgraded or at least marked down on GOE.

    I am still very sad that both Takahashi and Lambiel weren't able to skate to their full potential in Vancouver. Those two were definitely much more deserving than either Lysacek or Plushenko.
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    Also can't wait to see.his clothing line "be unique" hope it's not too gaga tho. Since he says his dream is Sochi I think he will really come back since his love of russia.

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    I've just read Weir's statement. I hope ubers won't kill me for this, but Johnny, you can say the same thing with half the words, you know. Getting rid of a few "I believe"/"I think" helps too... :

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Working very hard and being consistent doesn't make someone a great or interesting skater. It just means you're dedicated to and determined at your craft and that you're a strong competitor.
    You are aware that "great" and "interesting" are both subjective assessments, right? And that no matter how many times you state these opinions as facts, they are still opinions? And that the Olympic judges apparently don't agree with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    I've just read Weir's statement. I hope ubers won't kill me for this, but Johnny, you can say the same thing with half the words, you know. Getting rid of a few "I believe"/"I think" helps too... :
    I think he wanted to be very careful and prepared with how he said this...so the ubers (he's got TONS) don't try to jump off a bridge, which by the looks of the overwrought posts on some Johnny-centered forums, some of them sound like want to. The amount of mainstream press coverage this garnered today is incredible. No other figure skater (probably not even Evan) will garner this type of attention right now.

    bb boy's gotta use it while he can. I just hope he's smart about it and makes strong decisions with sound advice.

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    that when I went to the USFS page with the story about Johnny's announcement, one of the banner ads on the side of the page was a picture of grinning Evan with the OGM, captioned "Vote Evan for an ESPY!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theatregirl1122 View Post
    You are aware that "great" and "interesting" are both subjective assessments, right? And that no matter how many times you state these opinions as facts, they are still opinions? And that the Olympic judges apparently don't agree with you?

    Give it up Theatregirl, don't you know Johnny wuzrobbed?

    Quote Originally Posted by sunny_sari View Post
    I think he wanted to be very careful and prepared with how he said this...so the ubers (he's got TONS) don't try to jump off a bridge, which by the looks of the overwrought posts on some Johnny-centered forums, some of them sound like want to. The amount of mainstream press coverage this garnered today is incredible. No other figure skater (probably not even Evan) will garner this type of attention right now.

    bb boy's gotta use it while he can. I just hope he's smart about it and makes strong decisions with sound advice.
    Must have been a slow newsday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peibeck View Post
    Like winning any World medal is easy? He was top ten in every Worlds appearance he made, not too shabby IMO.
    Being a top ten is only impressive if compared to those who are not top ten skaters, LOL.

    Yes, winning a bronze medal is not easy, but winning any Olympic medal or WC gold or silver are definetely more difficult. Weir has managed to win just one World bronze medal in his career, which is not impressive even if compared only to a few past and current US skaters (if compared to top skaters of other nations, Weir´s one World bronze medal is even less impressive):

    - Scott Hamilton won OG plus 4 WC gold medals
    - Boitano won OG and two WC gold
    - Eldredge won a WC gold, 2 WC silver medals and 2 bronze medals
    - Weiss won two World bronze medals
    - Lysacek won OG and WC gold medal, two WC bronze medals and GPF
    - Abbott has won GPF gold medal and is currently 2-time US champion

    I was Weir´s fan since seeing his skating in early 2000 (in GoodWill games) and still was a fan after the 2006 Olympics. After that I started gradually to get the impression he was having some other priorities than the skating. But I have still counted him among my favourite skaters, but have never been a blinded fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    The only way I see Johnny coming back to competition is if his other projects don't pan out, including finding enough work as a skater. I'd say it's 50-50 at this point.
    I don't think Johnny will come back. I think he is happy doing his t.v. show and rubbing elbows with Hollywood celebrities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Observer View Post
    I don't think Johnny will come back. I think he is happy doing his t.v. show and rubbing elbows with Hollywood celebrities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Observer View Post
    I don't think Johnny will come back. I think he is happy doing his t.v. show and rubbing elbows with Hollywood celebrities.
    And considering all the hatefull comments he receives on celeb blogs I'm not so sure Hollywood is a good idea but I hope he does well at whatever he chooses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Well, there are medals and medals... Weir has never won a gold or silver medal in any major international competitions, a World bronze is his only achievement.
    That means he was just not such a fierce competitor, not a mediocre skater or athlete. You cannot call someone not as great when he is consistently among the top for so many years. First it is not like Evan has a tone of medals, yeah I know his medals, but he actually had one great season which included the Olys. Bravo to him. Being promoted like alpha and omega of USA Fs, doesnt make him a better skater than Weir. Btw, Kulik has less medals than Lysacek, but is there a comparisson? But then if you concider the medals in major competitions define the athlete (I dont) , well ...you should drop Evan and start rooting for another athlete, the You-Know-WHo. The one who shall not be named. Cause maths are cruel there.

    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    Yes, I think, lol
    My thought is that athletisism is not his best strenght ! Compared to Evan, Evgeny, Brian. They are all more dynamic and powerful.
    That's what I meant.
    So, I'm afraid it won't be better after a year off
    I excluded Stephane and Dai for obvious reasons, but it is not like they dont have meltdowns or weak points as well. Takahashi before injury was not such dynamic as well.

    Hello? Will we ever meet in agreement? Weir is more graceful and has more personality when he skates in his little finger than Lysacec in his all body, more diversity than Joubert, certailny a better haircut than Plushenko, and smoother edges and more elegant posture than all of them together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorita View Post
    That means he was just not such a fierce competitor, not a mediocre skater or athlete. You cannot call someone not as great when he is consistently among the top for so many years. First it is not like Evan has a tone of medals, yeah I know his medals, but he actually had one great season which included the Olys. Bravo to him. Being promoted like alpha and omega of USA Fs, doesnt make him a better skater than Weir. Btw, Kulik has less medals than Lysacek, but is there a comparisson? But then if you concider the medals in major competitions define the athlete (I dont) , well ...you should drop Evan and start rooting for another athlete, the You-Know-WHo. The one who shall not be named. Cause maths are cruel there.

    I excluded Stephane and Dai for obvious reasons, but it is not like they dont have meltdowns or weak points as well. Takahashi before injury was not such dynamic as well.

    Hello? Will we ever meet in agreement? Weir is more graceful and has more personality when he skates in his little finger than Lysacec in his all body, more diversity than Joubert, certailny a better haircut than Plushenko, and smoother edges and more elegant posture than all of them together.
    Hey! Brian has actually really decent edges, I am not sure they are worse then Johnny's. He is simply not using them that much... Not that Johnny made much use of them during the last seasons.

    And Kulik is a great example for someone who didn't win that much, but can still be called a great athlete, he was great, as in really great. Skating skills, speed, musicality - and with a Quad plus a fully rotated Triple Axel, that he could do smoothly from a spread eagle, to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunny_sari View Post
    I think he wanted to be very careful and prepared with how he said this...so the ubers (he's got TONS) don't try to jump off a bridge, which by the looks of the overwrought posts on some Johnny-centered forums, some of them sound like want to.
    I sincerely hope you're exaggerating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Being a top ten is only impressive if compared to those who are not top ten skaters, LOL.

    Yes, winning a bronze medal is not easy, but winning any Olympic medal or WC gold or silver are definetely more difficult. Weir has managed to win just one World bronze medal in his career, which is not impressive even if compared only to a few past and current US skaters (if compared to top skaters of other nations, Weir´s one World bronze medal is even less impressive):

    - Scott Hamilton won OG plus 4 WC gold medals
    - Boitano won OG and two WC gold
    - Eldredge won a WC gold, 2 WC silver medals and 2 bronze medals
    - Weiss won two World bronze medals
    - Lysacek won OG and WC gold medal, two WC bronze medals and GPF
    - Abbott has won GPF gold medal and is currently 2-time US champion
    Bold is mine.

    Just trying to understand your logic. How do you rank Abbott's results as more impressive than Weirs? Weir has more national championships and a much better record at both junior and senior international competitions than Abbott, who tends to be a serious head case when skating at the big internationals.

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    Well I'm not Jaana, but my impression is that she believes the GP Final is a "major international competition" -- see her previous post in this thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Well, there are medals and medals... Weir has never won a gold or silver medal in any major international competitions, ...
    Back to Johnny...

    Entertainment Weekly's PopWatch: Johnny Weir announces break from ice skating. So not fabulous.

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