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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinner View Post
    I loved Midori's LBO rocker into a double Axel. Looked like a Lutz, but surprise--Axel!
    LBO _counter_.

    ETA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNUZ0iJIqzs#t=2m30s
    Last edited by steve skater; 06-22-2010 at 09:49 PM. Reason: Video

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    i loved the counter turn she did too in her SP's, all on one foot, into the axel! It was extremely unique and difficult for her time, and unfortunately i think she stopped doing it in the 90's? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TgQaLmVm9I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinner View Post
    I loved Midori's LBO rocker into a double Axel. Looked like a Lutz, but surprise--Axel!
    Matt Savoie used to do this (a counter, actually, as someone else posted upthread) into a TRIPLE axel. Crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altai_rose View Post
    I love leaps in figure skating such as Michelle Kwan's falling leaf, as well as leaps in gymnastics, ballet, and rhythmic gymnastics. I was wondering whether there were any figure skaters who've done variations of falling splits such as something that looks like: http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/wp...astia-leap.jpg, http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse....bessonova2.jpg, or a tour jete on ice. Anyone?
    http://www.sashafans.com/media/scree...orlds/fs03.jpg
    But I agree with Lanie-looks like Sasha couldn't straighten out the free leg more so than she's doing what the gymnasts can do.

    I always wanted to see a single skater attempt a charlotte spin. I remember a Chinese Pair (name is escaping me) doing it.

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    how could i forget?? the one that stuck in my mind is M/D's beautiful, assisted cantilever in their LP! Also, Natalia's back/inside d.sprial while in a catch-foot position. soo unique and balletic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilJen View Post
    Matt Savoie used to do this (a counter, actually, as someone else posted upthread) into a TRIPLE axel. Crazy.
    When Matt was much younger (I used to train with him then...), he could do a very rare jump combination--single Lutz clockwise (his opposite direction), double Lutz counterclockwise. He didn't do it often, but it was pretty cool to watch. We all envied how quickly he picked up skills. So glad it got him as far as it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinner View Post
    When Matt was much younger (I used to train with him then...), he could do a very rare jump combination--single Lutz clockwise (his opposite direction), double Lutz counterclockwise. He didn't do it often, but it was pretty cool to watch. We all envied how quickly he picked up skills. So glad it got him as far as it did.
    Oooohh, is there any video ?
    The oldest I found is his 2002 Worlds LP, a beautiful, very beautiful program.
    He is fabulous !

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    Usually in a combination, the 2nd and 3rd jump must be a loop or toe loop. I think it was Sylvia who explained to me that if a skater can spin in both directions, he/she can do a jump in one direction ( say counter-clockwise ), then do a lutz clockwise as the 2nd jump of a combination.

    As far as I know, it's never been done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    Oooohh, is there any video ?
    Sadly no, he did this in his early teens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polymer Bob View Post
    Usually in a combination, the 2nd and 3rd jump must be a loop or toe loop. I think it was Sylvia who explained to me that if a skater can spin in both directions, he/she can do a jump in one direction ( say counter-clockwise ), then do a lutz clockwise as the 2nd jump of a combination.

    As far as I know, it's never been done.
    If you're adept enough to land on a back left inside edge (for CCW rotating skaters), you can do a Salchow as well--as in the one-foot Axel/3 Salchow Jill Trenary is famous for. And FWIW, I think such combinations should be worth BIG points despite the Axel only being a single...they're friggin HARD to do! We'll never see one nowadays since it'd be wasting a combination on a low-scoring element.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinner View Post
    And FWIW, I think such combinations should be worth BIG points despite the Axel only being a single...they're friggin HARD to do! We'll never see one nowadays since it'd be wasting a combination on a low-scoring element.
    This is one of the things I hate about CoP, it only recognizes a few kinds of difficulty relating to brute strength or flexibility and doesn't reward difficulty that's more a function of pure skating skills. So many great moves we'll never see again in the chase for big point tricks......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    This is one of the things I hate about CoP, it only recognizes a few kinds of difficulty relating to brute strength or flexibility and doesn't reward difficulty that's more a function of pure skating skills. So many great moves we'll never see again in the chase for big point tricks......
    But I wonder, let's say a skater did a triple something followed by a triple lutz in the opposite direction. How many extra points would it be worth? I mean, the judges would be so impressed, they would reward it somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    It looks more like she couldn't straighten the other leg rather than trying for the stag over-split position.
    I really cannot imagine that Sasha could not straighten her leg...I am almost sure I have seen her SFL before and with a straight leg wouldn't the position be the same?

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    Has any skater ever landed a 4+4 combination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-FAN View Post
    Joey Russell did it at the 2009 nationals LP:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeR3qBjG93M at around 3:30 (and p.s. that's one amazing program!)
    I absolutely love Joey's skating! He is tons more interesting to watch than Patrick Chan, IMO, plus he takes many more risks with his skating than Chan does. I think he and Shawn Sawyer are the most captivating Canadian senior male skaters currently. I'd love to see Russell reach the top with his brilliant skating!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post
    Has any skater ever landed a 4+4 combination?
    No, but there's video of Plushenko landing a 3A+4T. I don't think it was doctored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post
    Has any skater ever landed a 4+4 combination?
    Sounds like a recipe for a career ending injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post
    Has any skater ever landed a 4+4 combination?

    Yes, Alexei Yagudin and Emanuel Sandhu at France 2002 Top Jump competition

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sdB9TVoNc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadwiga View Post
    Yes, Alexei Yagudin and Emanuel Sandhu at France 2002 Top Jump competition

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sdB9TVoNc
    That looked like a quad-triple to me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by shan View Post
    That looked like a quad-triple to me....
    Yes, that was a 4toe+3toe from both Alexei and Emanuel.

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