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    To be fair to Miley, though, that demographic is usually very fickle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    To be fair to Miley, though, that demographic is usually very fickle.
    Absolutely - they turn on celebs in a heartbeat.

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    Is Hannah Montana still on? It seems like Cyrus has been in the process of shedding that image for 3-4 years, but then I thought I read that this is the last season? I keep forgetting that that's the origin of the Cult of Miley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isk8NYC View Post
    Absolutely - they turn on celebs in a heartbeat.
    I'm still waiting for the cast of Twilight's turn! And the Jonas Bros...

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    The fourth and final season starts airing in July.

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    At what point do you see her humping the pole?

    At about 1:20. Besides, how many innocent young girls would even HAVE a pole in their act?
    That's not even close to pole humping, sorry. She somewhat stiffly gyrates a bit next to the pole. The pole is there for her to hold, but I do see the inference that she's pole dancing as well.

    Yeah, I find her act too sexualized for a young person and wonder that her management aren't keeping it on a tighter leash, but that still doesn't give anyone permission to use a 600mm to get up close and personal with her lady area, nor some idiot permission to relentlessly attack her.

    I'm surprised to find that I find her voice interesting to listen to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genevieve View Post
    Is Hannah Montana still on? It seems like Cyrus has been in the process of shedding that image for 3-4 years, but then I thought I read that this is the last season? I keep forgetting that that's the origin of the Cult of Miley.
    It's still on; she's still part of Disney.

    It's been interesting to watch my daughter and her friends and their take on Miley. When they were 10, 11 and 12 (well, early 12), they loved the show. I have spent a whole lot of time grinding my teeth in a car stuffed with tweens shrilling their high-pitched way through "True Friend."

    But somewhere around 13, they started losing interest in squeaky clean Hannah. They outgrew her. They still like some of Miley's songs, but they aren't interested in the show. They are interested in, among other things, the sexually charged Twilight and reading teen romance and the rather creepy but exciting effect they are beginning to have on boys. They recognize that there is power there, although they don't understand it. When they are in the car now, instead of "True Friend," one of them will say she wants to lick Taylor Lautner's abs and the others will all squeal "Grooooooooooooooooooooooss!" but they also giggle that dirty little giggle.

    Sometimes I miss "True Friend."

    But anyway, Miley started becoming more sexualized right about the time they did. They think she's out there; they think she goes too far. But they also find it kind of exciting because it's a bigger-than-life version of a part of them, and while everyone tsks that Miley goes too far, they also recognize that in many ways, Miley doesn't. She has one boyfriend at a time and her relationships tend to last a long time for a teenager. She isn't a party girl. She hasn't been in rehab and no one has ever suggested that she should be. She gets on stage and does her thing, and then she gets off the stage and mostly behaves herself. They can relate to that; they are intrigued by the idea of being "bad" girls, but they still want to be "good" girls. Dressing like a ho doesn't make one a ho, but sometimes it lets you try on the persona a bit. They don't really want to lick Taylor Lautner's abs and would die of mortification if the opportunity presented itself......but they find the idea exciting.

    Quote Originally Posted by leesaleesa View Post
    Yeah, I find her act too sexualized for a young person
    I find it interesting that people think her act is too sexualized for 17. I understand finding it disturbing that her performances of late have been a little raunchy and she's still a minor, but what do people think 17-year-olds are up to, anyway?

    For what it's worth, I agree with nearly all of this: http://jezebel.com/5569967/leave-mileys-crotch-alone

    It's not like the girls just have a choice between Miley and, oh, say, Taylor Swift. They like Taylor Swift okay. But they also love Lady Gaga--more than Miley, really. If Miley falls off the face of the earth tomorrow, there will be plenty of other highly sexualized acts for them to follow. And there's a reason teens like those acts.

    I read an interesting study a while ago about how people perceive teenage sexuality. Nearly all parents who were surveyed believe that the vast majority of teenagers are having sex and lots of it, with many partners and high risk involved. But they describe their own teens as "young" and think their kids are still innocent and behind the curve there. They are wrong on the first count and most of them are wrong on the second, but that perception tends to color their responses to a lot of things.

    I think Miley's handlers ought to rein her in some; I would bet some try, while others encourage her. But I think they should do it because I think it's bad for her to have all this play out on the public stage this way. Even Madonna now says that she thinks she made some mistakes early on in her career because she really wasn't ready to handle the repercussions, although she thought she was. Miley has both the advantages and disadvantages of being a child of Hollywood. She was cast in her first movie and her first series when she was eight, and she hasn't stopped working since. She's had plenty of examples, good and bad, to follow or not. She's got a lot of show business pros to help her and guide her. But still, making mistakes at this level of exposure has got to have some lasting effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    She's got a lot of show business pros to help her and guide her. But still, making mistakes at this level of exposure has got to have some lasting effects.
    She's co-managed by her mom, who seems to have the final say. I could be wrong but I think her mom's main qualifications for the job are, well, being her mom (and maybe also the experience of watching the ups and downs of Billy Ray's career). I'm not sure she has that many pros on her side....
    We live in an ageist society where everything is based on youth, but I hated being 18. I don't like teenagers any more now than I did then. I'm 49 now and there is no way that I'd go back to my teens and 20s - even if I knew what I know now, I don't want to go through all that again. I found it a very difficult time. - Buzz Osborne of the Melvins

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    People seem to forget that the director in question she was grinding up on is GAY. Good lord, straight girls and gay men do some of the dirtiest dancing I have ever seen. Granted Miley was like 16 and he was in 40s, but eh, if he were straight I would feel creepier about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    She's co-managed by her mom, who seems to have the final say. I could be wrong but I think her mom's main qualifications for the job are, well, being her mom (and maybe also the experience of watching the ups and downs of Billy Ray's career). I'm not sure she has that many pros on her side....
    Well, maybe you know more than I do about it.

    Dolly Parton is her godmother and is, by all accounts, close to Miley, so there's one; it was Dolly who recommended Miley's music management team to Miley's mother. The Cyruses have a lot of celebrity friends, most but not all in country music. One example you might not expect: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/158...paramore.jhtml While most people in the US know Billy Ray Cyrus as a one-hit wonder (which can be a lifetime career in country and for him pretty much has been), he has also had a low-key career in acting: http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/08/2...rus/index.html and so has a lot of contacts there, too.

    Helen Mirren is apparently a fan of the new! improved! with wings! Miley: http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06...aga-love-them/

    And a lot of former child stars seem to be pulling for her, too--Donny Osmond's piece on her in Time was very sympathetic (and prophetic), for example. People she has worked with have said good things about her; she's apparently not a diva, does her job, and gets along well with people, whatever her other failings are.

    So the impression I have is that she does have support and there's plenty of sage advice available if she wants it and will take it. Whether she does that or not, that's something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uyeahu View Post
    I think it depends on how liberally you define pornography. Is it simply subject matter presented in a manner meant to sexually stimulate or does it have to be EXPLICIT subject matter? I think upskirt photos by their nature are voyeuristic shots meant to sexually titillate, and Miley is still legally a child. The argument can probably be made.
    Yup, it's walking a fine line. It's a matter of ruling whether it was obscene or not according to US Child Pornography laws.

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    Billy Ray Cyrus is technically not a one hit wonder. And as for as Miley goes-her sexualize actions aren't really the issue imo. It's just that her parents allowing it raises the question (for me) of rather or not she has a decent support system and was raised well enough to not go the Lohan way.
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    I find it interesting that people think her act is too sexualized for 17. I understand finding it disturbing that her performances of late have been a little raunchy and she's still a minor, but what do people think 17-year-olds are up to, anyway?
    Oh, I know what they're up to. They will sneak around, they will wear racy clothes out of your sight, and they are having sex. Miley is doing it right in the public eye. She isn't hiding it like your everyday teen, and I find it incredible that her parents allow and apparently condone a 17yo wearing provocative clothing on stage. She is wearing some fairly tight shorts, and when she comes out in that video and squats, well, I would have yanked her ass offstage had she been my daughter.

    I don't think she's being sexy for her teen audience, and find it disturbing that her parents aren't stopping this. I hope she's level headed enough not to go the way of the Lohan or Brittney.

    Once she's 21, she can challenge Mr. Slave in a 'ho off as far as I'm concerned. Right now, I find the whole act to be distasteful. Not all 17 year old girls dress and act provocatively, at least not in the public eye. Unfortunately, if you market yourself as a sexual object, you will get attention, and a lot of it won't be the kind a well adjusted girl is comfortable with.

    Of course, I'm basing this on that one Mylie video. For all I know, she's wrapped head to toe in chador most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leesaleesa View Post
    Of course, I'm basing this on that one Mylie video.
    Well, thank goodness you've done your research and gotten all your facts securely straight before going on a mad diatribe or something.

    I continue to be baffled by the conjecture over this young lady, perhaps the most grounded child star I've ever witnessed grow up. Why all the negative embellishment?

    Wait. Is it possible? Do we have a dozen Globe and Nat'l Enquirer staff reporters here on FSU?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarotx View Post
    And as for as Miley goes-her sexualize actions aren't really the issue. It's just that her parents allowing it raises the question of rather or not she has a decent support system and was raised well enough to not go the Lohan way.
    I thought people had all kinds of problems with Miley, not just with her parents, and that her hypersexual persona of the moment was one of them. But okay.

    I don't see a whole lot of common characteristics between the Cyruses and the Lohans, nor do I see a whole lot of common characteristics between Lindsay and Miley.

    I do think that the Cyruses idea of a normal teenager might be different than most people's, largely because they do live that Hollywood/celebrity lifestyle and always have. They were always a little on the wild side themselves. But they appear to have a stable relationship, good friends, and good business sense, which already put them miles away from the Lohans. They have two older children who have yet to get arrested, land in rehab or create some sort of scandal.

    Quote Originally Posted by leesaleesa View Post
    She is wearing some fairly tight shorts, and when she comes out in that video and squats, well, I would have yanked her ass offstage had she been my daughter.
    I grew up in the 60s and 70s, and I think the "Gasp! Look at how short those shorts are!" thing is kinda funny. When I was growing up, everyone, including very conservatively raised me, wore hot pants. I will never forget my future SIL showing up at the front door wearing the exact same outfit Raquel Welch has on in the pic on that site. She was--heh--17 at the time. By the time I was in fifth grade, I had shorts just like them.

    My advice to one and all there is, no matter how stylish short shorts are, don't wear them horseback riding. I speak from personal experience. And I did it more than once, 'cause it was important to look cooooooool even if it meant massive chafing. And that was the worst thing that ever happened to me as a result of wearing short shorts. Yeah, I wasn't on a stage writhing around in them. But I didn't have bodyguards, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by leesaleesa View Post
    I don't think she's being sexy for her teen audience
    Really? I think she's being aimed squarely at late teens/early 20s. What other audience listens to and buys pop in large numbers?

    Quote Originally Posted by leesaleesa View Post
    I hope she's level headed enough not to go the way of the Lohan or Brittney.
    But Lindsay and Britney derailed because of what they were doing off stage, not on (and I think in Britney's case, it was complicated by what is rumored to be bipolar disorder, which typically begins to make itself known in the late teens/early 20s). Again, all signs are that Miley leads a relatively stable life--remarkably so, IMO, given the life she leads. We'll see; she's young. She could spin off in any number of directions.

    Quote Originally Posted by leesaleesa View Post
    Not all 17 year old girls dress and act provocatively, at least not in the public eye.
    No one ever said that they did, or that they should, and as I said, I think Miley should be reined in a bit. Actually, I think she will rein herself in a little bit, but again, we'll see. But I think people look at the way she dresses on stage and make all kinds of assumptions about what that means, which is what people do--and not just with girls who are on stages.
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    Lindsay was a party girl from the beginning, when Mean Girls came out she was 17, the same age as Miley. Around that same time she was entering the tabloids because of her hard partying and drinking, so in that sense she was doomed from the beginning.

    Miley hasn't been implicated in anything worse than having the hormones of a teenage girl (referring to the stolen personal pics of her posing sexy). No drugs, no alcohol, no partying - yet. I don't recall hearing much about Britney partying hard when she first came out. Her drinking and drug problems seemed to coincide with the emergence of her mental instability, around the time she got married in Vegas, and she was 21 or 22 at the time. I would guess that her drug use was an effort to self-medicate, whether she realized it or not.

    Basically, Miley could turn out like many child stars. I think a HUGE deal would be for her to go to college to keep her grounded and give her a life outside of entertainment, a la Natalie Portman or Brooke Shields. However, then she runs the risk of being overly scrutinized. I mean, I've had my share of fun nights, but I am by no means an alcoholic or a "party girl." It would be so embarrassing if someone took pictures of me and showed them to my parents, much less the entire world.

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