View Poll Results: Who will make GPF?

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  • Denney/Barrett

    28 51.85%
  • Evora/Ladwig

    7 12.96%
  • McLaughlin/Brubaker

    23 42.59%
  • Bazarova/Larionov

    27 50.00%
  • Della Monica/Kocon

    1 1.85%
  • Berton/Hotarek

    7 12.96%
  • Sui/Han (currently only 1 spot)

    4 7.41%
  • Iliush/Maisuradze (currently only 1 spot)

    1 1.85%
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    2010 GPF Pairs Prediction Poll

    If S/S, P/T, Z/Z, and D/D make it, who else will round out the field? The teams I listed with only 1 spot could end up with 2 by the time GP series rolls around if others withdraw....
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    I'm thinking Bazarova/Larionov and Denney/Barrett. I'm assuming Pang and Tong will withdraw, which would give either of this teams a shot at silver at NHK, behind the Zhangs. Evora/Ladwig can get the same benefit in China, but the field is a bit tougher in Russia, I think. Then at SA, Denney/Barrett are likely to finish second, and B/L likely third at TEB. So, if the NHK results are Z/Z, B/L and D/B, I think both these teams could qualify.
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    McLaughlin&Brubacker, Denney&Barrett or Bazarova&Larionov !

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    Denney/Barrett, Bazarova/Larionov & Berton/Hotarek. I wouldn't bet my money on Dube/Davison making it and you're missing Kavaguti/Smirnov, who'll be more then likely in final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haribobo View Post
    If S/S, P/T, Z/Z, and D/D make it...
    There is also Kavaguti/Smirnov. Unless some of the top teams get beat (and that could happen especially with D/D) there would be one spot for the GPF. I don't anticipate Pang/Tong doing the GP though, so there could be at least two spots. Talent-wise, M/B will be a front-runner for one of the spots, but they would of course need to skate well enough. They perhaps may have to beat D/B at Skate America to get into the final, as D/B and Bazarova/Larionov could have an easier road there with NHK (P/T are there, but they could easily withdraw) than M/B would have with Skate Canada (which has K/S, D/D, and maybe even Duhamel/new partner if they get it together). Then again, Denney/Barrett lost to Inoue/Baldwin on the GP last year, so you never know what could happen and who is going to skate well. The last couple of spots often come down to tiebreakers, so it may be a matter of who outscores who. On another note, are I/B really still competing? Who knows.
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    Oops, I totally meant to include K/S in the shoe-ins group. If they are injury-free and all that. Thanks.

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    Neither of them. Lets count:
    Sav/Szolk
    Zhang/Zhang
    Pang/Tong if they continue
    Kawag/ Smir
    Mukhortova/new partner
    Dube/Dav (possibly, if in good form)

    That's six already.

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    I think Pang/Tong, Savchenko/Szolkowy, Zhang/Zhang, Kavaguti/Smirnov, Dubé/Davison and Denney/Barrett will make the GPF. Denney/Barrett have a real good shot at winning silver at both NHK Trophy and Skate America. The other 5 teams should make it - barring meltdown/withdrawals/retirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    Mukhortova/new partner
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    It's unlikely they'll get two assignments.
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    I actually see the Zhangs missing the GPF. Their decline will continue this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Their decline will continue this season.
    What makes you think that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post
    What makes you think that?

    Maybe the fact their PCS plunged down the drain last year, their skating hasnt improved one iota for 4 years, the fact their skating is so slow and mind numbingly boring between the tricks has caught up to them, that Pang & Tong are staying apparently so they still arent the #1 Chinese team and with Sui & Han coming up they likely never will be again, and since at Worlds last year they skated the best they possibly could and still only finished 5th and they dont usually skate that consistently these days as they did there, and since I dont see them passing any of the teams currently over them so the only place for them to go from here is further down. Anymore questions?

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    KavSmir and DubDavs are not exactly bastions of consistency either, and occasionally give even worse performances than Zhangs. Look, we all love to hate the Zhangs, but they will always be a top 5 team until they break bones or retire. They need no program at all, as long as they can do their jumps, throws, and twists. It is just a sad fact of life that overskore will occur with them, and the sooner we come to terms with it, the better. Just like how we have to accept Cinquanta as president. We all have our crosses to bear in this world, and as skating fans, Zhangs and Cinquanta are ours...

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Maybe the fact their PCS plunged down the drain last year, their skating hasnt improved one iota for 4 years, the fact their skating is so slow and mind numbingly boring between the tricks has caught up to them, that Pang & Tong are staying apparently so they still arent the #1 Chinese team and with Sui & Han coming up they likely never will be again, and since at Worlds last year they skated the best they possibly could and still only finished 5th and they dont usually skate that consistently these days as they did there, and since I dont see them passing any of the teams currently over them so the only place for them to go from here is further down.
    Their PCS weren't that different from previous seasons, excecpt at Skate America, where their PCS were a joke, in my opinion. At this years Worlds, I thought they were underscored in both segments of the competition.



    They at least should've been ahead of Aliona & Robin in the SP.

    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Anymore questions?
    Plenty, but I won't waste more of your precious time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post

    Plenty, but I won't waste more of your precious time.

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    PCS are relative to your competitors. PCS have been skyrocketing in recent years, so if your PCS are merely staying the same or going slightly down as the Zhangs then relative to your competitors they are going way down. They used to get comparable PCS to Pang & Tong, now the Zhangs are still getting low to mid 7s while P&T have skyrocketed to high 8s and 9s. Dube & Davison and Mukhortova & Trankov even with big falls and errors were getting higher PCS than the Zhangs skating cleanly in certain programs.

    Anyway here is how I see it. Pang & Tong, Kavaguchi & Smirnov, and Savchenko & Szowkoly could crash and burn and they will still beat the Zhangs next season IMO. That is unless the Zhangs have actually improved but since they have failed to do that since 2006 I wont be holding my breath on that, and even if they finally did it might be a case of too little too late. We all see how the Zhangs skating cleanly where nowhere near K&S with 2 falls at last years Worlds. Dube & Davison will start beating the Zhangs if they can start skating more consistently. Then there are teams that could still improve alot more like the American teams and the younger Russian teams. Sui & Han will probably pass the Zhangs sometime in the next year or two although probably not this season. And unless Volosozhar & Trankov is a huge dissapointment they will easily pass the Zhangs as well.

    So no I dont see the Zhangs remaining a top 5 team. They dropped from a top 2 team to barely a top 5 team last year, so why would things get any better for them from here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Dube & Davison will start beating the Zhangs if they can start skating more consistently.
    Err, I wouldn't bet on that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Then there are teams that could still improve alot more like the American teams and the younger Russian teams.
    Man I hope so re: US teams. Any US team challenging Zhangs would make me so happy. For RUS, B/L and I/M were pretty dreadful for most of last season, even when they landed stuff. So I dunno. At this point I'm more hopeful for MukBlanch and VoloTranks. US, RUS, and Berton/Hotarek and mayyybe James/Coia and Duhamel/Radford are the top contendors to invigorate the pairs field....

    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Sui & Han will probably pass the Zhangs sometime in the next year or two although probably not this season.
    Sui/Han are great but I am waiting to see how this year goes before predicting too much for them.
    Last edited by haribobo; 06-18-2010 at 12:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    PCS are relative to your competitors. PCS have been skyrocketing in recent years, so if your PCS are merely staying the same or going slightly down as the Zhangs then relative to your competitors they are going way down. They used to get comparable PCS to Pang & Tong, now the Zhangs are still getting low to mid 7s while P&T have skyrocketed to high 8s and 9s. Dube & Davison and Mukhortova & Trankov even with big falls and errors were getting higher PCS than the Zhangs skating cleanly in certain programs.
    Still, 52 in PCS is too low for Dan & Hao.

    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Anyway here is how I see it. Pang & Tong, Kavaguchi & Smirnov, and Savchenko & Szowkoly could crash and burn and they will still beat the Zhangs next season IMO. That is unless the Zhangs have actually improved but since they have failed to do that since 2006 I wont be holding my breath on that, and even if they finally did it might be a case of too little too late. We all see how the Zhangs skating cleanly where nowhere near K&S with 2 falls at last years Worlds. Dube & Davison will start beating the Zhangs if they can start skating more consistently.


    Aliona & Robin crashed and burned at last years TEB and they didn't win and I don't see Jessica & Bryce becoming consistent. Oh, and Yuko & Alexander were massively overscored for their LP at Worlds.



    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Then there are teams that could still improve alot more like the American teams and the younger Russian teams. Sui & Han will probably pass the Zhangs sometime in the next year or two although probably not this season.
    I don't really see those teams challeging Dan & Hao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post
    Still, 52 in PCS is too low for Dan & Hao.
    Oh, and Yuko & Alexander were massively overscored for their LP at Worlds.
    If you think Dan & Hao are underscored or Kavaguti & Smirnov are overscored there is probably a reason for that. That is K&S are a team now in favor and seen as one of the leaders, and Dan & Hao are not any longer. Are you really expecting the scores of the #1 Russian team (unless V&T make a smashing debut) to suddenly "drop" while the scores of the a team that was scored low all last year to suddenly rise.

    Anyway Dan & Hao were overscored in PCS (again relative to their competitors) all the time from 2005-2008. Well some of their competitors are getting their turn at it now.


    Aliona & Robin crashed and burned at last years TEB and they didn't win
    OK so if Aliona & Robin duplicate their worst skate ever of last years TEB with about 6 big mistakes then yes the Zhangs would have a chance to beat them. Happy.

    and I don't see Jessica & Bryce becoming consistent.
    The Zhangs are becoming increasingly consistent so they might not have to. If both teams even make similar mistakes I could see Dube & Davison beating them in the coming years. The Zhangs skatec the best they possibly could have at Worlds last year and were only 5th, while every other team in the field made mistakes. Only 1 team above them is gone now, and are forming a potentially better team. Like I said I see only one way for them to go now, and it isnt up barring them showing real improvements which they havent since 2006 now.


    I don't really see those teams challeging Dan & Hao.
    And I bet you didnt see them skating cleanly at Worlds without Shen & Zhou and still finishing only 5th behind 4 pairs who made mistakes either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    Maybe the fact their PCS plunged down the drain last year, their skating hasnt improved one iota for 4 years, the fact their skating is so slow and mind numbingly boring between the tricks has caught up to them, that Pang & Tong are staying apparently so they still arent the #1 Chinese team and with Sui & Han coming up they likely never will be again, and since at Worlds last year they skated the best they possibly could and still only finished 5th and they dont usually skate that consistently these days as they did there, and since I dont see them passing any of the teams currently over them so the only place for them to go from here is further down. Anymore questions?
    "mind numbingly boring" The Zhangs shot themselves in the foot with that very poorly performed SP last season. They couldn't handle that style. They also didn't have any robot-like consistency (who does nowadays)... So some decline in PCS makes sense. But they still did very well, and were a top 5 team in everything except the GPF where they skated a relatively rough LP. Sure, they weren't a top 2 team, but the depth in pair skating was high with Shen/Zhao returning, Pang/Tong improving, Mukhortova/Trankov skating a little more consistently, etc.

    And for the first time ever, I thought the Zhangs were a little underscored at Worlds. I thought they deserved top 4 once they skated well and Kavaguti/Smirnov kind of melted down. But K/S got some huge score to keep them ahead of M/T, I suppose.

    The Zhangs' glaring weaknesses may allow other teams to pass them at certain competitions (thank goodness, because I used to find them ridiculously overscored), but I don't think we're going to see some dramatic and steady decline with them. Their presentation may be abysmal at times, but that won't be enough to throw them off the radar because they have more difficulty than basically everyone.

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