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    Quote Originally Posted by dupa View Post
    They were banned for being a pain in the arse. Don't be a pain in the arse and you won't be banned. Simple as that. Clear enough?
    Isn't this libellous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatefriend View Post
    Isn't this libellous?
    Sounds like it to me!!

    Shame we have lost Dance Dance Dance and Timbukto. Always felt there was much honesty and caring for the British skaters in general in their posts.

    Perhaps I will be removed now too for making this comment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatefriend View Post
    Isn't this libellous?


    Good point! At the very least it is unsubstantiated gossip!

    I find that when people that call me names they do so from a place of insecurity in themselves. Libel laws are a valuable thing, but in the context of a site like this I think it is over used by people that have something to hide.

    Honestly people, for all those that are fed up about hearing the issues that have been discussed in this forum against the people running NISA, get ahold of yourself. You don't have to live this stuff day in day out. It doesn't have a significant impact on your life, other than perhaps being an irritation that takes up some of your time.

    If you really are irritated about these points, then do something about it. If there is any truth to the allegations against the NISA Board, then find a way of removing them from their positions. Then all this rubbish will get back to more normal levels like those in other Federations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatefriend View Post
    Isn't this libellous?
    Only when it's not true, INNIT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    To answer your question -- the following was posted in November 2009:


    Back on topic... Chrissy wrote in her June 5th journal: "We will be performing in IceAct’s Chiller shows in Cardiff and Altrincham on June 12 and 13." If anyone attends this show, reviews would be most welcomed!
    Thankyou Sylvia, Interesting, I live very near Cardiff so could go and see the show myself... I'll have to look it up unless anyone cares to PM me.

    Quote Originally Posted by joe View Post
    Like everyone I am so sad to see them go, such lovely people and a dream to watch and I`m sure a fantastic new future lays ahead of them.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paragraph3s View Post
    Thank you for your reasoned response Sylvia.

    I haven't got the time to be an advocate for either cause, but it's worth pointing out that we're no longer in an Olympic Season, the points made weren't about unsubstantiated gossip (C&H have actually retired and part of their reason was the politics), and this is in an individual thread about Mark and Christina's retirement. So the reasons you posted do not apply in this case. Similarly, whatever Sharpie has gone through that "pales in comparison" is not relevant to this topic.

    Obviously there are people that prefer to ban people or otherwise put them off competing if their face doesn't fit, but if everyone was like that then the world would be a horrible place.

    I wish Christina and Mark all the best for their future, but am sad that it got as bad as it did for them. If this site endorses the behaviour that was inflicted on them, by burying it's head in the sand or otherwise blocking people willing to stand up for our skaters, then I doubt I will make much time to return very often either.
    Whatever I or anyone or else on this thread has been through personally or professionally is definitely not relevant to this thread, I agree.

    However I didnt like the point that was made by a banned member earlier, that everything 'pales in comparison' to what Chrissy and Mark have been through.

    It isnt an Olympic Season anymore, but nowhere have I retracted that comment and I have entered into correspondance many times with both banned members that I am tired of the fallout from this type of discussion.

    I have no idea what 'behaviour' was inflicted on Chrissy and Mark bar what I have read on here and from their own words. I cannot base this site's position on that from a one sided viewpoint.

    You say you havent got the time to be an advocate for either cause, well here is the thing... neither do I, nor any other of the site admins.





    Quote Originally Posted by skatefriend View Post
    Isn't this libellous?
    This is in response to the 'pain in the arse' comments that seem to have not come out on my multiquote,

    We're referring to two internet pseuds so not really. The constant 'NISA is corrupt' stuff that these pseuds have persisted in posting over and over again IS actually libellous as they are naming an organisation.


    In the context of FSU, they are pains in the arse so sue me too. We have spent a lot more time on complaints re these posters than 99% of the other posters on this board these last few months. Not to mention the behaviour of the poster who thought invading my privacy was fair game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fairgame View Post
    Sounds like it to me!!

    Shame we have lost Dance Dance Dance and Timbukto. Always felt there was much honesty and caring for the British skaters in general in their posts.

    Perhaps I will be removed now too for making this comment?
    If you want me to remove your account, I will do so, but I see no reason to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dupa View Post
    Only when it's not true, INNIT!
    So if I say the same about you, I'm not being libellous as it's my honest opinion?

    I will not say anything else about this - I'm just pointing out what I feel is the hypocrisy of this poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paragraph3s View Post
    I find that when people that call me names they do so from a place of insecurity in themselves. Libel laws are a valuable thing, but in the context of a site like this I think it is over used by people that have something to hide.

    Honestly people, for all those that are fed up about hearing the issues that have been discussed in this forum against the people running NISA, get ahold of yourself. You don't have to live this stuff day in day out. It doesn't have a significant impact on your life, other than perhaps being an irritation that takes up some of your time.

    If you really are irritated about these points, then do something about it. If there is any truth to the allegations against the NISA Board, then find a way of removing them from their positions. Then all this rubbish will get back to more normal levels like those in other Federations.
    No, I dont have to live by whatever NISA says so no, it doesnt affect me.

    Also this is a skating FAN forum. I or nobody else in this forum has any obligation to find a way of removing any board member from their position and suggest so is laughable.

    Basically, I am putting a TOTAL blanket ban on any discussion of NISA as an organisation on this board from now on. This doesnt mean that Im a massive fan of them either. If you want to go and discuss it, then find somewhere else, set your own board up or whatever. I dont care, just dont involve FSU.

    And out of respect to Mark and Chrissy I suggest it is now kept off this thread.
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    I wonder if Mark's decision is reversible at all? Should we sign a petition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairgame View Post
    Shame we have lost Dance Dance Dance and Timbukto. Always felt there was much honesty and caring for the British skaters in general in their posts.
    They have been posting the same stuff over and over and over again ad nauseam.

    It's one thing to say "In my personal opinion..." or "I disagree with a particular decision being made..." etc.

    It's quite another to accuse someone outright of foul play and breaking the regulations they are supposed to be bound by.

    That's because there is something called libel. But if you post such comments here on FSU, it's the board's owner and not you that will be in trouble.

    So no wonder that the admins are trying to keep a lid on it. It's not like they are censoring people for the sake of it.

    If you have issues with NISA, take them to court or alert some newspapers about it - get involved in any way you want.

    Just understand that if you post outright accusations here on FSU, the board's owner is going to be liable for a lawsuit.

    And it's happened pretty much every time British skating has been discussed.

    I would really love to be able to discuss actual British skating and not politics one day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asli View Post
    I wonder if Mark's decision is reversible at all? Should we sign a petition?
    Well I'd definitely like to see him back.

    Maybe we should work together on getting him and Christina Azerbeijani citizenship sorted?
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    I'm sorry to see them go. I was very, very impressed by the few programs I saw them skate, and hope they stick together for shows and get a ton of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    They have been posting the same stuff over and over and over again ad nauseam.

    It's one thing to say "In my personal opinion..." or "I disagree with a particular decision being made..." etc.

    It's quite another to accuse someone outright of foul play and breaking the regulations they are supposed to be bound by.

    That's because there is something called libel. But if you post such comments here on FSU, it's the board's owner and not you that will be in trouble.

    So no wonder that the admins are trying to keep a lid on it. It's not like they are censoring people for the sake of it.

    If you have issues with NISA, take them to court or alert some newspapers about it - get involved in any way you want.

    Just understand that if you post outright accusations here on FSU, the board's owner is going to be liable for a lawsuit.

    And it's happened pretty much every time British skating has been discussed.

    I would really love to be able to discuss actual British skating and not politics one day.
    As I said before, I haven't got much time to labour the point, but in my opinion there are a few problems with what you are saying here. The ‘banned members’ as well as a lot of other posters have been saying similar things. Now that skaters have retired, judges resigned, skaters and coaches moved abroad, many of whom have complained about issues that continue to go wrong, why shouldn’t these issues be raised by members of the forum that care enough to debate them?

    Sure, Sharpie and the other admins don’t want to be taken to court, but what kind of track record has an organisation that has been banned from discussion had in the courts? The threats of court action sound like intimidation tactics from certain people to get what they want.

    Have you read the Tomlin Order? Who was it that used the word ‘sorry’? Who had their eligible statuses reinstated without prejudice to any rules in this country or internationally? And who has been agreed to be a part of redesigning the rules and regs for the sport?

    I’m being very careful not to break any of the ‘new’ rules applied this week, while making an important point. Two people that have previously made points that I often agree with and know to be true have been banned, and yet another poster is allowed to make derogatory if not libellous comments about them on the grounds that he or she believes them to be true.

    The thing is, this site and the people who run it risk losing credibility if they apply rules retrospectively, punish some people and not others, or ban valid complaints about one Federation and not others.

    Let’s face it, as one skating fan to another, if we can’t complain about Federation decisions in a place like this, then what is the world coming to? And if any allegations are not true, then what do those who the allegations refer to have to worry about?

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    Nowhere have rules re discussion been applied 'retrospectively'. Please see the quoted post from November 2009. As noone has seemed to listen I just re enforced them a little more strongly yesterday.



    And still noone listens so thread closed. Best Wishes to Chitwood/Hanretty.
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