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    Jumps with forward landing

    Are there any jumps which land facing forwards? I imagine it would be hard to get your weight balanced right to avoid tripping on the toe pick, but surely people have experimented with doing them?

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    Nope, I have never heard of anyone experimenting with that. Seems it would be very hard to get that timing down after years of jumping "normal"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ice dance View Post
    but surely people have experimented with doing them?
    They sure have. Gary beacom had a great pro number where all the jumps were landed forward. Tenaly Albright also used to perform some jumps where she landed forward in her amature performances.

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    Low-level goofballs like myself do half flips and half lutzes, which land facing forward. Bunny hops, too I remember seeing Gary Beacom do a pro program where he landed a series of forward single axel-type jumps--but only one rev--that landed forward. . .will have to look around for it.

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    Sure, any "triple" jump ever done by Sarah Hughes

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    Quote Originally Posted by escaflowne9282 View Post
    Sure, any "triple" jump ever done by Sarah Hughes

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSGP21 View Post
    Nope, I have never heard of anyone experimenting with that. Seems it would be very hard to get that timing down after years of jumping "normal"
    Peggy Fleming routinely did a 1 1/2 flip in a sequence with a single axel. It was very beautiful. She did it in her pro Pachelbel's Canon routine, AFAIR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ice dance View Post
    Are there any jumps which land facing forwards? I imagine it would be hard to get your weight balanced right to avoid tripping on the toe pick, but surely people have experimented with doing them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by escaflowne9282 View Post
    Sure, any "triple" jump ever done by Sarah Hughes


    Anyway, I don't think that a true forward landing is possible on a triple jump, with the toe pick, it would be too dangerous !

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    I'm copying over most of the content of a post I made in the Inventing a New Jump thread last fall, in case it has already or soon will go to archives where nonsupporters can't access it.

    Half-revolution jumps from backward takeoffs are typically landed on the toepick of one foot and pushing onto an inside, or less commonly outside, edge of the other foot. Just look at a regular split jump for an example.

    Axel takeoffs with one revolution can be landed forward the same way, as connecting moves. This can be called a half-axel or bell jump.

    That can also be done with inside axel takeoffs -- see the RFI-to-RFI connecting hops at 4:36 in the middle of the jump sequence, leading into the triple toe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ieGvGdfyeo

    Very rare one-revolution forward-takeoff (axel-type) jumps landing on the same edge as takeoff, in both directions, at 3:36:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ngCbGaf1bM

    At least as far back as Cecilia Colledge or Megan Taylor in the 1930s and up through the 1960s-early 70s, as far as I can tell, it used to be pretty common to use 1.5 jumps from backward takeoffs, often in sequence with half and complete double jumps of the same takeoff.

    Again, these would be landed on one toepick pushing onto an edge on the other foot.

    Under the current rules it would be inadvisable to use those 1.5 jumps because they'd be called as downgraded doubles (earn the same base value as a regular single jump) and fill up jump boxes, and you'd have to make it really really clear that you did it on purpose and didn't just underrotate and two-foot a double jump attempt for judges to consider giving better than -3 GOE.

    Here's a program with several examples of what we've talked
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ieGvGdfyeo
    Half-axel at 0:56
    Mazurka (half toe loop), 1.5 toe loop, double toe sequence starting at 1:09

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    Robin Cousins used to do a beautiful 1 1/2 flip.
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    The only forward landing jumps I know of are 1/2 and 1 1/2 flips and lutzes, split jumps, and a cherry flip which is like an axel but with 1 turn instead of 1 1/2.

    I'd imagine that trying to land forward on a double or triple would just cause you to do a face plant because of the intense rotation speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by escaflowne9282 View Post
    Sure, any "triple" jump ever done by Sarah Hughes
    Haha, that's what I first thought. Good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-FAN View Post
    They sure have. Gary beacom had a great pro number where all the jumps were landed forward.
    Gary Beacom 1998 World Cup of Figure Skating - forward jumps begin at about 4:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafygreens View Post
    The only forward landing jumps I know of are 1/2 and 1 1/2 flips and lutzes, split jumps, and a cherry flip which is like an axel but with 1 turn instead of 1 1/2.
    cherry flip we call toe loop here in the UK. It is landed backwards.

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    Well, there's the bunny hop...

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafygreens View Post
    and a cherry flip which is like an axel but with 1 turn instead of 1 1/2.
    I would call that a bell jump. I've never heard the term cherry flip before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollyanna View Post
    Gary Beacom 1998 World Cup of Figure Skating - forward jumps begin at about 4:00.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pollyanna View Post
    Gary Beacom 1998 World Cup of Figure Skating - forward jumps begin at about 4:00.
    That's the one! Thanks for the link

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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    I would call that a bell jump. I've never heard the term cherry flip before!
    My old coach called it a cherry flip but I've also heard bell jump. Maybe she was wrong?

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