True. That's why it's always difficult to predict how Skater X would have done in the past if a competition format had been different. There are so many variables involved.Ito actually became alot more inconsistent once the figures were removed. Everyone thought she would be completely unbeatable once they were gone but she became more unpredictable, and the free skating competition improved a great deal while the other top free skaters were now also allowed to flourish without figures.
Exactly--anyone would prefer to have Yamaguchi and Harding.It is also different having Jill Trenary as your top free skating competition to having Yamaguchi and Harding.
IMHO, even without the hucap incident she wouldn't have had much of a pro career after that 1999 competition, many skaters refused working with her (IIRC Lipinski was one of them), and that would have diminished her chances greatly. Who knows what she might have heard by the time that incident took place? She could have preferred, on a subconscious level, to fail by her own actions than have others let her down and despise her once more.
I do wonder, though, what might have happened if Harding had shown up at that pro event trained and prepared with new programs and used it as an opportunity to reestablish herself as a serious skater instead of just another opportunity to collect a paycheck for being the notorious Tonya Harding.... But I think it's pretty clear that Harding is more interested in continuing to try to cash in on her 15 minutes of fame than on doing anything that requires real work to earn a living.
Anyway, I wish she kept the original cut of the "Batman" score she had for the program. I love the music in the final section.
Whenever I think of Tonya Harding, "what might have been" comes to mind.
Some people use personal difficulties as a spur to great achievement; others are forever "victims".
She lacked discipline, on any level; focus, and a strong work ethic,
Tonya had more pure talent and natural ability then almost anyone; yet squandered it.
She might have had the pontential to become the "Greatest Ever". However, we will never know.
Some of the more skating purists actually prefer the Tonya Harding as seen in this clip of the1986 Skate America Long Program, as there's a little more attention to body positions and the skating is a little bit more "lighter" at her early career compared to later years.
What a pleasure to see a lady who can do both a flip and lutz from the proper edge and do a triple loop. (her spirals not so much) I wonder if the rash of tiny jumping little flutzers with bendy positions we have had here in the US was a reaction-the last thing anyone of them wanted was to remind anyone of Tonya in any way whatsoever.
Here'a Tonya's 1991 Skate America LP, wirh Japanese commentary:
Can someone tell us what they said?
Here's the US version:
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I may have to disagree a little, Tonya may have been given better programs at some points but whether she actually accepted advice and assistance or even "better" programs is another matter entirely. Considering she threw off advice to go to the 1994 Olympics earlier to adjust to the time change and ignored that wisdom, I have a feeling Tonya didn't take advice well. She was her own worst enemy.
Getting a round tuit.
Absolutely agree that she was her own worst enemy; Tonya's biggest obstacle wasn't other skaters, judges, or USFS, but Tonya herself. She deserves a PLATINUM medal for squandering talent, opportunity, and multiple chances at becoming the best.
I would tie her with Midori as the greatest jumper ever. Greatest skater? Not a chance, there's more to skating than powerful jumps and crossovers. She didn't have the grace and fluidity of other ladies with great jumps such as Michelle or Yu Na or the plain charm of someone like Tara.
"Once you've skated together long enough, and you're really good friends, you can close your eyes, put your hand out and she's right there." Joe Dolkiewicz, 2011 US Novice Pairs Bronze Medalist
Tara charming? To each their own I guess. I would rate Yu Na a great jumper, Kwan I would rate only a very good one at best.
I guess it's more of a cheering thread for Tonya, but IMO, she is not at all the greatest ever.
Powerful jumps and crossovers. But nothing more into her skating. No steps, no lightness...
IMO, Midori Ito is the only one with the power and a bit of the rest ! YuNa is the perfect balance.
Tonya is not the greatest skater, but I consider her to be one of the most naturally talented skaters, at least in terms of sheer athleticism. The girl reportedly did not practice that much, yet she was still able to pull off those amazing jumps without much effort. If only she were a little more dedicated to her sport.....
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she's definately the most known skater of all time