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    Oksana PASHA Grishuk

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    Who Is The Greatest Ice Dancer Ever

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    Remember, it has to be just one individual, not two lists--for male and female.

    judgejudy27, I apologize for the name calling in previous thread. There isn't any excuse for it and I apologize to you and before everyone, and hope that you will accept my apology.

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    Oh, please, give me a break with all the Virtue, Moir, Fusar-Poli, Margaglio, Navka and others like them. I mean, seriously?

    About Virtue and Moir - yes, excellent skills, yes, wonderful lines, flow, speed and whatnot but, gosh, they're just so... boring. No passion. No real expression besides the "oh my, I'm so innocent" look on their faces. There's nothing inside them that makes you feel like you're watching a movie, nothing that makes you feel you've reached to their souls, I don't even know how to explain that, they're just so predictable. They're ballroom dancers, without an ability to show you a story that would melt your heart. And Scott - totally Tessa's shadow for me. No personality of his own on ice at all.

    Fusar-Poli - uhm, I guess the best ice dancer should be a great athlete as well, who knows how to behave sometimes?

    Margaglio and Navka didn't have either the extraordinary skills V/M at least have, nor any inner fire or personality to make you fall for them. JMO

    You wanna know my definition for a perfect male ice dancer? The one who makes his partner look stunning - and does that so good that it makes him look stunning himself. And for that, my pick is Povilas Vanagas. Olivier comes close behind.
    And apart from that, of course, they have to have personalities out there. They have to make me feel butterflies by the way they look at their partners or hold them. And those two guys above were doing it, damn sure.
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    I hope the votes for Margaglio were a joke. Porny : Yes. Good skater : NO !

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    I remember commentators saying that Povilas Vanagas was probably the best ice dancer of the circuit (when he was eligible)

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatak View Post
    I remember commentators saying that Povilas Vanagas was probably the best ice dancer of the circuit (when he was eligible)
    you beat me to it! SVTs commentators always referred to Povilas Vanagas as "the best ice dancer in the world"! and he was really, really good! who am I to disagree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene View Post
    Up to #40

    Chris 6
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    judgejudy27, I apologize for the name calling in previous thread. There isn't any excuse for it and I apologize to you and before everyone, and hope that you will accept my apology.
    In that case, I'll go with Christopher Dean (and with honourable mentions going to Evgeny Platov and Sergei Ponomarenko).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia joy View Post
    Margaglio and Navka didn't have either the extraordinary skills V/M at least have, nor any inner fire or personality to make you fall for them. JMO
    I never cared for Navka either, other than her headband and divaness. I'll vote for Angelika Krylova because no one else has so far, and I always thought she was amazing. Too bad she and Oleg were in the shadow of Grishuk/Platov for so long.

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    Overall I'll go with Chris Dean too.

    On the ladies' side I would say Klimova - just because she is my all time favourite

    I think Scott Moir is the best dancer competing today. He is an extraordinary talent. mia joy, I think one of Scott's greatest qualities IS how he shows off Tessa. He is beautiful in his presentation of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene View Post
    But think long and hard. Your answer could change the face of ice dancing. Forgive me, as I may not be able to make another entry or reply to this thread.
    What is this being used for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bue View Post
    mia joy, I think one of Scott's greatest qualities IS how he shows off Tessa. He is beautiful in his presentation of her.
    I guess we just see it differently As much as I know what a great talent he is, he's just not the quality of Vanagas or Schoenfelder for me. Not yet, at least. He's still very young and may gain some on-ice personality (or maturity, call it as you wish) with age and experience. I just wish people would stop worshipping both Tessa and Scott so much and wait until they truly fully develop and show us the best of themselves, which I'm sure we haven't seen yet. I just think ice dancers get quality with age. Look at how wonderfully Faiella/Scalli have developed. Look who the Kerrs have become with age. Look at Drobiazko/Vanagas, Delobel/Schoenfelder and all the other teams who had their best performances late in their careers. I know these are new times and couples now are different, learn faster, become technically great at a very young age, but you still need maturity in expression to win at least my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia joy View Post
    I guess we just see it differently As much as I know what a great talent he is, he's just not the quality of Vanagas or Schoenfelder for me. Not yet, at least. He's still very young and may gain some on-ice personality (or maturity, call it as you wish) with age and experience. I just wish people would stop worshipping both Tessa and Scott so much and wait until they truly fully develop and show us the best of themselves, which I'm sure we haven't seen yet. I just think ice dancers get quality with age. Look at how wonderfully Faiella/Scalli have developed. Look who the Kerrs have become with age. Look at Drobiazko/Vanagas, Delobel/Schoenfelder and all the other teams who had their best performances late in their careers. I know these are new times and couples now are different, learn faster, become technically great at a very young age, but you still need maturity in expression to win at least my heart.
    I think you dont need to be 50th years for be a good dancer
    IMHO - Oliver is greate skater, but dancer must to show more upper-body movement.
    I really love Vanagas and for me he is better ice dancer, then Olivier, because he was more emotional, more plastic and entertainer.
    But they both couldnt be compaerd with Dean

    And watch there skating at Moir age

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    Ahhh totally forgot about Povilas Vanagas. Can't believe he's not getting more mentions.

    I still would place Dean above him because of the impact his made but Povilas deserves a mention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    And watch there skating at Moir age
    meaning there's still hope for Scott

    about Dean - you're all probably right, only consider I only follow FS since 2000 so don't really know Dean. I watched the Bolero once but TBH it didn't touch my soul too much actually I'm not really into watching the legends of FS I didn't get to see compete. Maybe I should, though.

    so you probably understand Povilas being my number 1 now honestly he's the best male ice dancer I've ever been blessed to see compete

    Ziggy - any thoughts Povilas may have not made impact because he was (well, is) Lithuanian?

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    Drobiazko/Vanagas have always been ridiculously undermarked.

    The Tango FD was one of the most complex ID programs ever and to think they dumped it because they were being marked so low...

    I'm not even going to mention the Worlds medal debacle because it's just .

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    I'd like to say Grishuk but would have to vote for Platov for his versatility, excellent technical precision, and his way of being in control of the partnership (given how feisty Pasha was). Unlike Margaglio & Novitski, to me, he never let himself get overpowered by his partner. Grishuk is one of my favs but i can think of other lady dancers that are better in other aspects of their skating. So, my vote goes for Platov

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia joy View Post
    As much as I know what a great talent he is, he's just not the quality of Vanagas or Schoenfelder for me. Not yet, at least. He's still very young and may gain some on-ice personality (or maturity, call it as you wish) with age and experience. I just wish people would stop worshipping both Tessa and Scott so much and wait until they truly fully develop and show us the best of themselves, which I'm sure we haven't seen yet. I just think ice dancers get quality with age. Look at how wonderfully Faiella/Scalli have developed. Look who the Kerrs have become with age. Look at Drobiazko/Vanagas, Delobel/Schoenfelder and all the other teams who had their best performances late in their careers. I know these are new times and couples now are different, learn faster, become technically great at a very young age, but you still need maturity in expression to win at least my heart.
    So you prefer skaters who are older because, they are more mature? What about I/K? Given their young ages, their skating to me at least, is plenty mature, especially him. They will probably reach their peak, technically, one day but for now i actually enjoy what they've shown this year.
    I agree however with V/M not being at the same maturity/veteran level as N/K, the 3 D/S's, D/V, A/P, but for me they are the most perfect NA dance team so far, so hopefully we will see how they grow in the next 4 yrs experimenting with different styles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia joy View Post
    meaning there's still hope for Scott

    about Dean - you're all probably right, only consider I only follow FS since 2000 so don't really know Dean. I watched the Bolero once but TBH it didn't touch my soul too much actually I'm not really into watching the legends of FS I didn't get to see compete. Maybe I should, though.
    I think with T&D you need to go back and watch Mack & Mabel and Barnum. Bolero, whilst a classic, for me is not their best program. I personally preferred Mack & Mabel. It was a masterpiece of musical interpretation and choreography. Not a beat of the music missed and everything made total sense with what they did. Plus it was perfectly skated - not a foot wrong.

    Also their 84 Paso Doble is a classic. An Original Set Pattern dance that doesn't look like an OSP. And it has some incredibly difficult stuff in it. I think as close to perfect as what a dance can be.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallcolor View Post
    So you prefer skaters who are older because, they are more mature? What about I/K? Given their young ages, their skating to me at least, is plenty mature, especially him. They will probably reach their peak, technically, one day but for now i actually enjoy what they've shown this year.
    Well, based on the teams I know, yes, I prefer older skaters, because they somehow get more elegant with age. I'm sure I/K will change with age too, even if they're already mature and classy. And don't get me wrong, I like young couples, they're a breath of fresh air, they have thousands of new ideas and I love that, but there is really something about the more experienced ones that make me speechless during their dances, even if they make mistakes or those dances are technically weaker. can't really explain that, but I really think you need to reach a certain age (in ice dance) to reach your full artistical potential. Though that doesn't work for all the couples either.

    I agree however with V/M not being at the same maturity/veteran level as N/K, the 3 D/S's, D/V, A/P, but for me they are the most perfect NA dance team so far, so hopefully we will see how they grow in the next 4 yrs experimenting with different styles.
    yes, that's what I'm talking about - insead of putting them already on a pedestal, just let them grow, enjoy seing them grow and make judgements when know you've seen their best already

    Aussie Willy - thank you for your suggestions, I'm gonna give them one more chance then

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia joy View Post
    Aussie Willy - thank you for your suggestions, I'm gonna give them one more chance then
    Please do. I think you will be surprised.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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