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    Kwan on Kim for Time 2010 Most Influential

    I realize there is a thread on this in the Trash Can, but I thought since Yu-Na has officially made the list and there is an accompanying piece from Michelle, it would make for a new topic. My bad if it was a bad decision.

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    Heroes: Kim Yu-Na
    By Michelle Kwan:
    I couldn't have been more surprised or honored last summer when Korean figure skater Kim Yu-Na told me that as a 7-year-old, she was so inspired by my skating at the 1998 Winter Games that she memorized my skating routines, pretending to be at the Olympics. Twelve years later, she no longer had to pretend. I have never seen a skater with such a combination of artistry and athleticism. From the first notes of her sassy James Bond medley to the closing Gershwin strains, Kim's inspiring performances in Vancouver changed the face of figure skating forever. Those 6½ minutes on the ice left not only a mark in the record book but also an indelible impression on millions of young girls around the world. For Kim, the dream that began as a 7-year-old has been realized. For these girls, thanks to her, a dream and journey are just beginning.

    Kwan is the most decorated figure skater in U.S. history
    Under the Influence (Time)
    The TIME 100 is not about the influence of power but the power of influence.

    The 2010 TIME 100 boasts some innovations too. We have multiple covers, wrapping front and back around the magazine. We've consolidated the list into four categories — leaders, artists, thinkers and heroes. We sent one photographer, Marco Grob, roaming the world to shoot a dozen luminous portraits of our honorees for the cover and the pages inside.
    There's also a 100 least influential list if you're interested.

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    Thanks for posting this. Kwan has some very nice phrasing.

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    What a gracious quote from Michelle. And she accurately touches on the impact that Yu Na can have on the young skaters watching her
    Last edited by Garden Kitty; 04-29-2010 at 11:37 PM.
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    Kwan=class

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Kitty View Post
    What a gracious and accurate quote from Michelle.
    Quote Originally Posted by cem View Post
    Kwan=class
    Agree with both of you.

    However, while Michelle herself can truthfully say of Yu Na "I have never seen a skater with such a combination of artistry and athleticism" this Kwan fan would have to tell her "that's because you never saw your own unique combination of artistry and athleticism". Even if she had been able to sit in the stands and see herself at 1998 World Pros, 2000, 2001 Worlds or 1998, 2003, or 2004 Nationals to name a few, she would likely downplay how wonderful her skating really was.

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    Very nice.

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    Perhaps we can separate the Kwan quote and the fact that Yu Na made the influential list into two separate threads?

    Congrats Yu Na
    Super cool that they got Yu Na's Idol, the sublime Michelle, to write her paragraph!

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    To say that Kim's performances at Vacouver "changed the face of figure skating forever" is a little bit OTT. How did those performances changed figure skating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan5 View Post
    Agree with both of you.

    However, while Michelle herself can truthfully say of Yu Na "I have never seen a skater with such a combination of artistry and athleticism" this Kwan fan would have to tell her "that's because you never saw your own unique combination of artistry and athleticism". Even if she had been able to sit in the stands and see herself at 1998 World Pros, 2000, 2001 Worlds or 1998, 2003, or 2004 Nationals to name a few, she would likely downplay how wonderful her skating really was.
    ITA.
    You know? For Yu-Na, Kwan has been the most influential since at age 7 and will be for a while or forever. And her sweet congratulatory message to Yu-Na... I'm sure that's why People(including me) call her "Kwan the Kween".

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    To say that Kim's performances at Vacouver "changed the face of figure skating forever" is a little bit OTT. How did those performances changed figure skating?
    Because it was a nice thing for MK to say and a nice thing to be in print. Sometimes a statement is just nice and not a critique.
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    Whether the comment about the Olympic performances was over the top or not ~ after reading through the Weir vs. Lysacek thread, it was very refreshing to read one legend lifting up and honoring a legend-in-the-making.

    Love her or hate her, Michelle has always conducted herself in a classy, mature manner and this article brings that to light.

    Michelle Kwan + Yu Na Kim = class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarotx View Post
    Perhaps we can separate the Kwan quote and the fact that Yu Na made the influential list into two separate threads?
    One for the Kwan ubers and one for the Yuna ubers?

    Quote Originally Posted by wRECkSk8r View Post
    Whether the comment about the Olympic performances was over the top or not ~ after reading through the Weir vs. Lysacek thread, it was very refreshing to read one legend lifting up and honoring a legend-in-the-making.

    Love her or hate her, Michelle has always conducted herself in a classy, mature manner and this article brings that to light.

    Michelle Kwan + Yu Na Kim = class.
    Like you said, it's very refreshing to read uplifting comments among skaters after all the Evan and Johnny this week.

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    BTW, is Yu-Na the first figure skater in the list?

    I found that the list was first published in 1999 but couldn't find other figure skaters in the list.
    Correct me if I'm wrong.


    Some info from the wikipedia.
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    yay for yuna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfisher View Post
    Because it was a nice thing for MK to say and a nice thing to be in print. Sometimes a statement is just nice and not a critique.
    Not meant to be critical at all. However, if I may, Kween's remark could be more than a praise for an occasion. Champions are role-models in a sense that kids learn from them -- be it about technique, style, etc. They influence the figure skaters of next generation. If Yuna embodies certain qualities, those qualities will be emulated by the young skaters, and her accomplishment at the biggest stage does amplify the influence.

    Of course, it is not really about the color of the medal but about performance as it was Michelle Yuna tried to emulate -- you still see a good deal of Michelle in Yuna's skating. Yuna's performance might have inspired a few as Michelle's did Yuna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    To say that Kim's performances at Vacouver "changed the face of figure skating forever" is a little bit OTT. How did those performances changed figure skating?
    While "forever" may be a bit of a stretch, I'll put my Nostradamus cap on and predict that in ten years time (and perhaps as early as the next couple of seasons), the Kween's words will be vindicated. Just as Michelle was hugely influential for so many of the skaters that came after her, Yuna, whether she continues eligibility or not, is IMO going to be the prototype for those who eventually emerge as top-level skaters, whether they be Korean, Russian, Chinese, North American, European, or perhaps even Japanese.

    The prototypical characteristics will include:
    -body type. Long-limbed and wide shouldered but slim, and great lower body strength (although it has been said that Yuna's proportions are a kind of freak of nature for women that aren't fashion models, I could definitely envision, say, a Russian skater along these lines over the next few years).

    -physical explosiveness. The body type mentioned above lends itself to generating speed and height (think Usain Bolt or a great NFL wideout like Randy Moss), resulting in ice coverage and +GOE jumps.

    -authoritative jumps. The focus on GOE will become widespread. Not only great height and coverage, but also complex transitions, correct edges, confident landings, and great speed and flow in and out. If all this sounds familiar, it's because Yuna is the skater in whom the ideal that CoP had been groping for first came to mature fruition.

    -musicality and expressiveness. IMO, this aspect has become one of Yuna's greatest strengths under Orser/Wilson. If you've ever seen her dance, you can see that her sense of rhythm and pace on ice is no accident (I would love to see her on DWTS at some point; I think she'd blow the field away, including Nicole ). And the way she uses her arms, head, body as instruments of expressiveness has been rightly praised by Sonia Bianchetti as superlative. This combination of musicality and expressiveness, so hard to describe but immediately recognizable as a Yuna signature, is in my view going to be just as influential as her jumps.

    Of course, I believe in the truism that no skater is perfect. Toe-point fetishism notwithstanding (is the smilie here showing the correct technique, I wonder?), I agree with the many who say that she could improve her stretch and line. But if I had to, ah, point to one ladies skater as the probable model for the next generation of elite skaters, I'm betting it will be Yuna.
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    Quote Originally Posted by key65man View Post
    Not meant to be critical at all. However, if I may, Kween's remark could be more than a praise for an occasion. Champions are role-models in a sense that kids learn from them -- be it about technique, style, etc. They influence the figure skaters of next generation. If Yuna embodies certain qualities, those qualities will be emulated by the young skaters, and her accomplishment at the biggest stage does amplify the influence.

    Of course, it is not really about the color of the medal but about performance as it was Michelle Yuna tried to emulate -- you still see a good deal of Michelle in Yuna's skating. Yuna's performance might have inspired a few as Michelle's did Yuna.
    Apologies, key65man. You beat me to the punch. Guess your post went up while I was writing mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robeye View Post
    Apologies, key65man. You beat me to the punch. Guess your post went up while I was writing mine.
    Actually, my compliment to you for making a great point. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

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    Nicely put, both of you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by key65man View Post
    Not meant to be critical at all. However, if I may, Kween's remark could be more than a praise for an occasion. Champions are role-models in a sense that kids learn from them -- be it about technique, style, etc. They influence the figure skaters of next generation. If Yuna embodies certain qualities, those qualities will be emulated by the young skaters, and her accomplishment at the biggest stage does amplify the influence.

    Of course, it is not really about the color of the medal but about performance as it was Michelle Yuna tried to emulate -- you still see a good deal of Michelle in Yuna's skating. Yuna's performance might have inspired a few as Michelle's did Yuna.
    Figure skating is just like any other art forms; music, painting,... in a sense that one generation's greats inspire and influence those in the next generation. Soon-to-be stars - Murakami, Gao, Nagasu, Kwak, and more - either they said they want to be like Yuna or we already see a little bit of her in their performances.
    Last edited by jaws12345; 04-30-2010 at 06:11 AM.

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