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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Yes, it ends with his death.

    I'm not sure why the series is ending.
    I heard it was really an expensive series to make. Maybe that has something to do with it.

    I found S3 a little less interesting than S1 and S2, also. I just couldn't get into the rebellion of the north and Suffolk's tortured conscience. Give me sex over violence any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bev Johnston View Post
    I heard it was really an expensive series to make. Maybe that has something to do with it.

    I found S3 a little less interesting than S1 and S2, also. I just couldn't get into the rebellion of the north and Suffolk's tortured conscience. Give me sex over violence any day.
    Price could be one factor, but then again Showtime announced they're making another Renaissance era series, this time about the Borgias (with Jeremy Irons playing Rodrigo/Pope Alexander VI).

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    Huh. The Borgias sounds like it could be interesting!

    And through looking for information about it, I came across another interesting thing being worked on that fans of The Tudors might be excited to watch.

    Apparently, Showtime developed an interest in a series about Camelot a few years ago, but didn't go forward with it. Starz now has the US rights to it, and is a development stage at this point. But from all reports, it should premier in 2011. The way it's described is a little confusing though. The goal of the series is "to tell the universal story of Camelot on a global scale." Does that mean it's set in the 21st century? Or does that merely mean that they're making it more modern for the audience, but still set in the past, a la The Tudors?
    Camelot

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    Wheee, more possibilities of period series... I'm loving it. These shows feed my love of history and helps convince me more and more to pursue my dream of getting a PHD in history once all my kids are in school full time (my youngest starts kinder this fall!!!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by myhoneyhoney View Post
    Wheee, more possibilities of period series... I'm loving it. These shows feed my love of history and helps convince me more and more to pursue my dream of getting a PHD in history once all my kids are in school full time (my youngest starts kinder this fall!!!).
    You go! WHEE! That sounds so exciting!

    I plan on getting a MA in History eventually. With Catherine Willoughby as my thesis topic, thus my annoyance with Michael Hirst for season 4 of this show.

    I'd love some more period shows. Honestly, I'd love a great movie about Mary. Sarah Bolger has done a fantastic job on the show and I've always been intrigued by her.

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    Anyone watch last night?

    I'm not wild about the characterization of Kitty Howard. I know she was young, but did she really have the reputation of being THAT silly and immature? After all she was 17, not 10. And I don't recall Sir Culpepper being a rapist, either. I'm certainly no expert on Tudor history, but I don't recall ever running across that in anything I've read.

    As good as JRM looks, it's going to be hard to justify Kitty's affair with Culpepper in my mind. It would be more understandable if Henry were portrayed as the fat, stinky old man that he was by the time he married Kitty. However, I'm glad that JRM isn't fat and stinky.

    And might I add that Henry Cavill is looking mighty this season, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bev Johnston View Post
    Anyone watch last night?

    I'm not wild about the characterization of Kitty Howard. I know she was young, but did she really have the reputation of being THAT silly and immature? After all she was 17, not 10.
    I have seen her birth listed in a range from 1521 to 1525 so I guess its possible that she was 14 or 15 when she married Henry. Yikes.
    She also was not raised with much supervision so that could explain the childish behavior.
    I think I will have a snack and take a nap before I eat and go to sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bev Johnston View Post
    Anyone watch last night?

    I'm not wild about the characterization of Kitty Howard. I know she was young, but did she really have the reputation of being THAT silly and immature? After all she was 17, not 10. And I don't recall Sir Culpepper being a rapist, either. I'm certainly no expert on Tudor history, but I don't recall ever running across that in anything I've read.
    From what I've read, she was the least educated of Henry's wives and, as Rob pointed out, there wasn't much adult supervision when she was living with the duchess.

    I wish they'd have introduced the son of the Duke of Norfolk last year, since it was the Howards who schemed to put Kitty in Henry's way and who played a large role in suppressing the Pilgrimage of Grace. It would have made more sense to have them than Francis Bryan.

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    Culpepper was indeed accused of raping a woman and then killing her husband. Henry let him get away with it because he was close to him (bet he regretted that later). Never felt sorry for Culpepper because of this.

    And Catherine was raised with zero supervision and was allowed to run wild until she was suddenly taken to court and paraded in front of Henry. She had zero preparation for what she was suddenly pushed into. I feel terrible for her. At least Anne Boleyn had a brain and knew what she was getting into, Catherine had no choice, and once people from her past kept showing up and blackmailing her, she must have been completely panicking

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoriajh View Post
    even though I know what happens i still am excited! and ITA about loosing natalie dormer and my interest ( however she dies what esle could they do??)...
    Oh I dunno....Pride and Prejudice and Zombies seems to have a following: Maybe Anne could have the ultimate revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolineL View Post
    Culpepper was indeed accused of raping a woman and then killing her husband. Henry let him get away with it because he was close to him (bet he regretted that later). Never felt sorry for Culpepper because of this.

    And Catherine was raised with zero supervision and was allowed to run wild until she was suddenly taken to court and paraded in front of Henry. She had zero preparation for what she was suddenly pushed into. I feel terrible for her. At least Anne Boleyn had a brain and knew what she was getting into, Catherine had no choice, and once people from her past kept showing up and blackmailing her, she must have been completely panicking
    Thanks for the info. Like I said, I'm certainly no expert and the Culpepper/rapist/murder thing was something I had never run across in my very limited reading. I know that sometimes TPTB add inaccuracies to make the show more exciting/whatnot. Wasn't sure if this was the case, but now I know.

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    What isn't very realistic is Henry's appearance on the Showtime series: by the time he was married to Anne of Cleves and Catherine Howard, Henry had become immensely obese. Yet on TV, Henry is only very subtly aged and still slim.

    Catherine was indeed allowed to run wild when under her grandmother's supervision; her mother had died when Catherine was a young child. She was brought to court by scheming relatives who saw a chance to further their own power by making her Henry's fifth wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euterpe View Post
    What isn't very realistic is Henry's appearance on the Showtime series: by the time he was married to Anne of Cleves and Catherine Howard, Henry had become immensely obese. Yet on TV, Henry is only very subtly aged and still slim.
    Not only that, JRM is a pretty short and delicately built guy whereas Henry's skeleton alone was 6 feet, suggesting a much greater height.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    I have seen her birth listed in a range from 1521 to 1525 so I guess its possible that she was 14 or 15 when she married Henry. Yikes.
    She also was not raised with much supervision so that could explain the childish behavior.
    Most serious historians put the date at the 1520-21 end of things, making her in her late teens on her marriage, possibly even into her very early 20s by the time of her death. Still young, but hardly a child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolineL View Post
    And Catherine was raised with zero supervision and was allowed to run wild until she was suddenly taken to court and paraded in front of Henry. She had zero preparation for what she was suddenly pushed into. I feel terrible for her. At least Anne Boleyn had a brain and knew what she was getting into, Catherine had no choice, and once people from her past kept showing up and blackmailing her, she must have been completely panicking
    And all of that, is why out of all of Henry's Queens, Kitty Howard is the one I feel the most sorry for. She really was a lamb sent to the slaughter in every sense of the word.

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    While checking out my favourite Royalty news sites today for anything new regarding the June Royal Wedding of the Crown Princess of Sweden, I discovered this...

    Royalty.nu ~ Being a "Tudors" king changed Jonathan Rhys Meyers

    An interesting read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euterpe View Post
    What isn't very realistic is Henry's appearance on the Showtime series: by the time he was married to Anne of Cleves and Catherine Howard, Henry had become immensely obese. Yet on TV, Henry is only very subtly aged and still slim.
    I think anyone who watches it is well aware of the facts of Henry's appearance, and of course it makes for a more appealing story when he's played by a handsome actor.

    However, I do think there's another benefit to this casting. Over time, there are really three things about Henry that have stuck: had six wives, broke with Rome, and was a big fat turkey-leg chomping pig.

    Much has been forgotten about who and what Henry truly was. Even as I loathe many of the plot decisions made by the writers/producers of this series, I do applaud the casting as a way to remind us visually that Henry was much more than the stereotypes. And the facts do remain that he was attractive to women - as his looks deteriorated, he still had the power of course, plus he had a magnetic personality that attracted both women and men to his circle, helping him get things done through their loyalty and devotion.

    By casting a physically attractive actor, you get the effect of the power of Henry's persona in his time, even as he grew old, ugly and smelly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myhoneyhoney View Post
    Wheee, more possibilities of period series... I'm loving it.
    Anyone who is a fan of historical series such as Rome should also check out Spartacus Blood and Sand. The first few episodes are :meh: but every episode gets better than the last, and the finale this weekend was just Plus brilliant acting by John Hannah and Lucy Lawless (yes, Xena) as a scheming, social climbing couple.

    I've realized now that what's been missing from the Tudors since season 2 is a good schemer. So far, the Seymour brothers, Brandon, and Francis Bryan have not been able to match Thomas Boleyn in that department. Cromwell's downfall went by too fast and we were only given an episode or 2 of Edward Seymour and Brandon plotting to bring it about.

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    I thought that Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk, was one of the chief schemers in this period but we haven't seen him in the series since season 1, have we?

    Looking forward to the Borgias!
    I think I will have a snack and take a nap before I eat and go to sleep.

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    Watched the first episode online. I now may cave and get Showtime for the rest of the season.

    Culpepper's a scary man. Still having problems thinking of sweet little Georgiana Darcy as Kitty Ho. Sarah Bolger was in her brief scene looking down her nose at the 'stepmom'. Loved that total look of disdain.

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