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    Quote Originally Posted by pinky166 View Post
    Fair point. Although when your legs make up so much of your height like someone like Yuna's do, it probably makes things a little easier. My dad and I walk super fast and my mom thinks its because both of us have really long legs (though neither of us is tall). Watching Caroline, it's actually quite amazing she can land her jumps as often as she does considering most of them she enters at almost a complete standstill. She must be really strong.
    While long legs may contribute to speed on the ice, they also raise the skater's center of gravity, making it harder to maintain stability and balance on the ice. This is why most of the best skaters are not very tall (Evan Lysacek is an exception).
    If Caroline were strong, she would get more speed with each push in her stroking and she would get more height on her jumps. Instead, she relies on the counter-twist of her torso before takeoff to help her spin faster in the air and complete the rotation. The more speed a skater has going into a jump, the more any flaw in technique will be magnified and the greater the chance of a fall, so this may be one reason she slows down before her jumps (especially the 2A).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doubletoe View Post
    While long legs may contribute to speed on the ice, they also raise the skater's center of gravity, making it harder to maintain stability and balance on the ice. This is why most of the best skaters are not very tall (Evan Lysacek is an exception).
    If Caroline were strong, she would get more speed with each push in her stroking and she would get more height on her jumps. Instead, she relies on the counter-twist of her torso before takeoff to help her spin faster in the air and complete the rotation. The more speed a skater has going into a jump, the more any flaw in technique will be magnified and the greater the chance of a fall, so this may be one reason she slows down before her jumps (especially the 2A).
    Thanks for the explanation. And now that you say that, I remember Scott Hamilton talking about center of gravity when Ryan landed 2 quads in his LP, something about him being 6 feet tall and that making it harder to control his center of gravity making landing the quads even more amazing. As for Caroline, the poor thing, she really has a lot of areas she needs to work on. Hopefully she can do it though.

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    If she gains some strength, the rest will fall into place.

    The Grand Prix announcement is expected out today. It will be interesting to see what events she gets.

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    Polymer Bob, you make it sound so easy when it's really not. Why is that?
    "Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility." - Ambrose Bierce

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    Polymer Bob, you make it sound so easy when it's really not. Why is that?
    Yes, curious minds would love to know.

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    She needs for everyone else in the competition to withdraw.

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    Pardon my German, but....

    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    Polymer Bob, you make it sound so easy when it's really not. Why is that?
    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Yes, curious minds would love to know.
    Caroline, Caroline über alles,
    Über alles in der Welt
    Wenn es stets fehlt der gesunde Menschenverstand
    Übers stehen zusammen.
    Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
    Von der Etsch bis an den Belt,
    Caroline, Caroline über alles,
    Über alles in der Welt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Squibble View Post
    Caroline, Caroline über alles,
    Über alles in der Welt
    Wenn es stets fehlt der gesunde Menschenverstand
    Übers stehen zusammen.
    Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
    Von der Etsch bis an den Belt,
    Caroline, Caroline über alles,
    Über alles in der Welt.

    Well.

    courtesy of google:

    "Caroline, Caroline on everything
    Above everything in the world
    When it always lacks common sense
    Over the stand together.
    From the Maas to the Memel,
    From the Adige to the Belt,
    Caroline, Caroline on everything
    Above everything in the world."

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    No, it's not easy. But I think Caroline can do what needs to be done. Of course, this can only happen if she has recovered from her injuries.

    We will see in a few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polymer Bob View Post
    No, it's not easy. But I think Caroline can do what needs to be done. Of course, this can only happen if she has recovered from her injuries.

    We will see in a few months.
    Lets just hope she doesn't get more injuries. I'm surprised she doesn't have chronic tendonitis in her calf and a broken hip the way she mule kicks into her flips and lutzes and twists her body going into those triple loops . And all that flexibility, it's gorgeous but I have to wonder how long her joints will last bending like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Well.

    courtesy of google:

    "Caroline, Caroline on everything
    Above everything in the world
    When it always lacks common sense
    Over the stand together.
    From the Maas to the Memel,
    From the Adige to the Belt,
    Caroline, Caroline on everything
    Above everything in the world."


    Caroline, Caroline over all,
    Over everything in the world,
    When, always, lacking common sense,
    Übers stand together,
    From the Maas to the Memel,
    From the Etsch to the Belt,
    Caroline, Caroline over all,
    Over everything in the world.


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    Well, the Grand Prix assignments are up. As expected, Caroline got 2 assignments. She got NHK in Japan and Skate America. She and Rachael are in the same events, so it's unlikely both of them will make the Final.

    As usual, Miss TBA got lots of events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polymer Bob View Post
    Well, the Grand Prix assignments are up. As expected, Caroline got 2 assignments. She got NHK in Japan and Skate America. She and Rachael are in the same events, so it's unlikely both of them will make the Final.

    As usual, Miss TBA got lots of events.
    I sort of don't think Caroline will be a factor. I was really surprised Alissa and Fumie got 2 assignments though, and to Agnes doing GP, and Christina doing JGP (presumably). It's going to be interesting but I feel like we'll be seeing a lot of withdrawals.

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    I'm amazed by the fact that this thread is still alive !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squibble View Post


    Caroline, Caroline over all,
    Over everything in the world,
    When, always, lacking common sense,
    Übers stand together,
    From the Maas to the Memel,
    From the Etsch to the Belt,
    Caroline, Caroline over all,
    Over everything in the world.

    thanks for the "improved" version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinky166 View Post
    I sort of don't think Caroline will be a factor. I was really surprised Alissa and Fumie got 2 assignments though, and to Agnes doing GP, and Christina doing JGP (presumably). It's going to be interesting but I feel like we'll be seeing a lot of withdrawals.
    Isn't that always the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Isn't that always the case?
    true. no sasha though! i guess she's finally accepted reality (fumie, sarah meier, gizmo should maybe take a hint from her)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinky166 View Post
    Lets just hope she doesn't get more injuries. I'm surprised she doesn't have chronic tendonitis in her calf and a broken hip the way she mule kicks into her flips and lutzes and twists her body going into those triple loops . And all that flexibility, it's gorgeous but I have to wonder how long her joints will last bending like that
    She actually had tendonitis in her knee and some kind of back injury. That's why she didn't do her pearl spin at Nationals or 4CC. I think she said in an interview that her knee had recovered by 4CC, I'm not sure about the back.
    Anyway, I hope she recovered and has the whole summer to polish her programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polymer Bob View Post
    She actually had tendonitis in her knee and some kind of back injury. That's why she didn't do her pearl spin at Nationals or 4CC. I think she said in an interview that her knee had recovered by 4CC, I'm not sure about the back.
    Anyway, I hope she recovered and has the whole summer to polish her programs.
    I hope so too. She has stiff competition at her GP events, looking at the rosters, I don't see her placing higher than 4th at either, and realistically it will likely be more 5th or 6th

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    A conversation about Caroline's attitude towards skating popped up the other day, and if what I'm told is true (the source it came from is reliable so I feel pretty confident it is) her attitude is just as bad as ever and THAT would need to change before she progresses anywhere. From what it seems, everyone in the professional skating world is just sick of her and her tantrums. Being that I've seen a few myself, *if* they truly haven't improved then I can't be surprised people are over her. She's not a little 13 year old anymore, she needs to grow up if she wants people to help her.

    Hopefully the source is wrong and she has indeed tamed, but if she hasn't, I highly doubt this season will be any more successful for her than her recent past.

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