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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    The only goof is someone who calls cheating at the Olympics a "minor infringement" and then completely contradicts themselves with their insane idea of punishing the innocent.
    Um, no. What's so insane about banning a federation if they've repeatedly broken the rules? Still confused?
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    Quote Originally Posted by siouxdonym View Post
    So beefie...it's an extreme solution to a relatively minor infringement. Get over it.


    Minor infringement? They were INELIGIBLE for competition, so their results MUST be stricken from those Olympics.

    "Extreme solution" to pull those illegitimate medals? Seems like the only fair solution to me. They've already had their decade of glory, and can continue believing that they are medalists. But the medals themselves must be returned. I don't even care if the USA is elevated to bronze; just that the girls who cheated and their nation do NOT get credit for their cheated medals.

    And please, anybody, don't tell me that those girls in this case or any of the earlier ones (including Beijing's Chinese embryos) don't know how old they are. They do/did, their parents do/did, their schools do/did, their federations do/did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollyanna View Post
    Now why didn't we falsify the age of Nastia Liukin in 2004? If we had, she might have been 2-time Olympic all around champion.
    Not to mention what her beam, bar, and floor scores would have done for the team event.

    Too bad those 2000 US gymnasts had to take so much flack from Bela Lugosi, um Karolyi, for finishing 4th and having "no backbone."


    ETA: There is a separate thread going on for the Chinese gymnast issue, don't know if admins want to merge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by siouxdonym View Post
    Idiotic and paternalistic age limit rules aside, I'll be repulsed if that choppy American team gets handed a bronze 10 years after the fact. The 2000 Chinese squad was gorgeous.
    They may have been 'choppy' as you put it-but they didn't cheat like the Chinese team did. The fact that the Chinese had the better gymnasts doesn't make it okay for them to keep Olympic medals they won with an unfair field of play advantage over most teams there who respected the rules

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    Ivana Hong has torn her ACL, will have surgery in a few weeks, and will be out for 7 months, damn it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkats View Post
    Ivana Hong has torn her ACL, will have surgery in a few weeks, and will be out for 7 months, damn it.
    Oh man that sucks. She's one of my faves.

    I'm not going to enjoy the Scam Cup nearly as much.

    Best wishes to Ivana-I wish her a fast recovery, and I hope she can still return to gymnastics. Man this has bummed me out.

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    Going to 2010 US Gymnastics Championships

    I'll be going to the US Gymnastics Championships in Hartford in August. Although I am veteran USFSA Championship goer, this will be my first gymnastics nationals. Any pointers or thoughts about the latter and what I can expect/should watch, etc.

    Thanks!

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    I have no advice, the only gymnastics meets I have ever attended have been collegiate, but HAVE FUN! I would love to attend gymnastics Nationals and/or Worlds some day but they never want to come close enough. They came to Dallas but I drove to Dallas for 2003 skating Nationals and don't think I'm willing to make the same sacrifice for gymnastics. lol I wish New Orleans would become a good place to host these events. That would be spectacular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    Not to mention what her beam, bar, and floor scores would have done for the team event.

    Too bad those 2000 US gymnasts had to take so much flack from Bela Lugosi, um Karolyi, for finishing 4th and having "no backbone."


    ETA: There is a separate thread going on for the Chinese gymnast issue, don't know if admins want to merge.
    I'm not sure where people got the idea that Nastia would have won gold in Athens had she been age eligible to compete. The US team had some very good all arounders and she would have certainly been ranked behind Patterson, Kupets, McCool even Terin Humphrey and Mohini. She certainly could have helped on beam though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkats View Post
    Ivana Hong has torn her ACL, will have surgery in a few weeks, and will be out for 7 months, damn it.
    That's so disapointing - was really looking forward to seeing her in Rotterdam

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukeanthony View Post
    I'm not sure where people got the idea that Nastia would have won gold in Athens had she been age eligible to compete. The US team had some very good all arounders and she would have certainly been ranked behind Patterson, Kupets, McCool even Terin Humphrey and Mohini. She certainly could have helped on beam though.
    I am not sure if Nastia would have even made the 2004 team. If she did make it, it would have only been as an event specialist. She was a better gymnast in 2005 and still narrowly lost the World AA title to Memmel who didnt even make the 04 team (though Memmel probably would have had she been healthy the whole Olympic year). No way even in the hypothetical scenario she did the AA at the 04 Games would Liukin of 04 beaten Patterson IMO. She wouldnt have come close to outscoring her on any event at that point other than possibly bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    Too bad those 2000 US gymnasts had to take so much flack from Bela Lugosi, um Karolyi, for finishing 4th and having "no backbone."
    I dont think the 2000 team deserved to be criticized. To those that were realisic 4th was actually a very good result for them, higher than many predicted. The team was in an unfortunate situation with arguably their most talented gymnasts Vanessa Atler turning into a complete headcase that year. They needed Atler and Ray both at their best to have any chance of a team medal. Overall they were never close to as good a team as the Russians or Romanians, and the Chinese were always much too strong on beam and strong enough on the other events in comparision to the U.S team.

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    Marta has said that were Nastia age eligible, she'd've been on the '04 team.

    I don't think there's any way she would have done AA over Patterson and Kupets, but it would have been nice to put her on bars. (Who would you have replaced with her?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkats View Post
    Marta has said that were Nastia age eligible, she'd've been on the '04 team.

    I don't think there's any way she would have done AA over Patterson and Kupets, but it would have been nice to put her on bars. (Who would you have replaced with her?)
    Had Nastia been on the '04 team, I'm sure they would have taken Carly off of bars during TF (Humphrey-Liukin-Kupets would have been a great lineup). During prelims, probably Mohini.

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    Liukin on bars instead of Carly would have worked out great perhaps. Then on beam with the injury to Kupets and McCool in Martha's doghouse, I am thinking they would have used her instead of Mohini, which might have also worked well. So while I doubt she would have factored much into the AA, she could have helped the U.S team get closer to Romania in the team event.

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    I guess ideally, Liukin would have taken McCool's slot. (IIRC Liukin beat McCool at 03 junior nats, but obviously she couldn't move up while McCool could.)

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    I think Hatch would have gotten dumped if Liukin made it. If they really wanted another vaulter then Humphries would have been dumped. McCool did end up being useless at the Games itself, but Marta and others were very high on her going into the Games. No way she was left off the team IMO as much as I would have liked her to have been.

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    I think it would have easily been Humphries being dumped. Hatch was needed on vault. McCool was easily one of the top 3 US gymnasts despite how she performed in Athens so they would not have taken off her off the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sk9tingfan View Post
    I'll be going to the US Gymnastics Championships in Hartford in August. Although I am veteran USFSA Championship goer, this will be my first gymnastics nationals. Any pointers or thoughts about the latter and what I can expect/should watch, etc.

    Thanks!
    Oh gosh, that sounds like fun! I've only gone to two gymnastics shows and one collegiate meet so I would love to have that experience sometime too. I actually live only two hours away from Indy and I've NEVER gone to any of the championships that have been held there. No clue why we've never gone! Anyway, I hope you have a great time and please report back to us about your time there!

    That stinks about Ivana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    I think Hatch would have gotten dumped if Liukin made it. If they really wanted another vaulter then Humphries would have been dumped. McCool did end up being useless at the Games itself, but Marta and others were very high on her going into the Games. No way she was left off the team IMO as much as I would have liked her to have been.
    Too bad Tabitha Yim got injured right before Camp because the U.S. desperately needed a great FX worker who could do all those stupid dance leaps and jumps to beat the Romanians.

    At Trials, didn't McCool get a lot of credit for connections on beam that she didn't get credit for in Athens? I heard that if she was scored properly at Trials, she would not have been in the top 2, but that was years ago and I don't remember.

    Poor Humphrey sort of got lost in the shuffle. She always considered herself a FX worker, but in Athens, she qualified and ended up with silver medal on the UB finals, an event that she didn't know she was strong on. One thing I give to Fong and Armine, they helped her improve on that apparatus.

    Athens was just a lot of misfortune for the U.S. team. From Kupets's injury forcing her to downgrade difficulty, to Memmel not being in top form, to Yim getting injured, and even McCool suffered a wrist injury before Athens as well...
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