Yuna shines in qualifying for worlds

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  1. os168

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    That's okay. She is not for everyone. I don't think anyone felt anything either when you admit this. Nice of you to wave the small Korean flag though ;)
     
  2. kwanatic

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    It's nothing that Yu-Na's doing wrong. She doesn't need to display her face or slow down so people can see.

    Obviously with people cheering and crying, she's doing what she needs to do. She's connecting with people; but if that connection isn't there, it's just not there. For me, I don't connect with Yu-Na emotionally when she skates. I can see the emotion on her face so I know she's emoting while she's skating. I just don't feel it and that has nothing to do with her.

    I'm sure the same applies for other people when you talk about Michelle. Michelle has moved me to tears on a number of occasions b/c I was emotionally invested in her as a skater. She's the only skater I've ever been that invested in b/c she's the only skater I literally grew up watching for 10 years of my life. A lot of her fans feel that way b/c we watched her for so long and experienced all of the things she went through, good and bad. We're fans, we love her, we feel like we know her. When she'd skate, we could feel her emotions and her heart. If you don't have that connection to Michelle then you probably don't get why fans gush so much about her...it's probably pretty annoying to you. :p I know I don't get all of the gushing about Yu-Na's new programs this year. Honestly, I'm a little disappointed in them...but I completely understand why others feel differently. A lot of people don't get what was so special about Michelle's Tosca or Aranjuez...Michelle's fans do though :)

    As for Yu-Na, I've watched her grow and mature through the years and I am in awe of the amazing skater and woman she's become. However, I don't find myself to be emotionally invested in her. I love her skating, I cheer for her, I want her to do well...but unlike with Michelle, if Yu-Na doesn't win my world doesn't come to a stop. That was the case with Michelle. I'd get so nervous whenever she'd skate and the outcome of her competitions usually dictated how the rest of my day would be (I've been like that with basketball too; it's a drawback of being a fan). It's not like that for me with Yu-Na or any of the other skaters I follow now (Mao, Ashley, Akiko, Carolina, Mirai, Adelina and several others). As much as I love all of these skaters, I'm not emotionally invested in any of them which is great for me b/c it allows me to just watch skating. One of the skaters I'm cheering for usually wins so in the end I'm happy either way. :)

    So if people don't feel the emotion from Yu-Na it's not her fault and there's nothing she can do to fix that. Not everyone is going to feel the same way about every skater...
     
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  3. Leeedward

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    Well, Chan is certainly growing artistically, but this season has not been his most stellar, results-wise. With the wrap-up of last season, he was considered a shoo-in to become the next Olympic Men's gold medalist. However, clouds are creeping in with the culmination of this Grand Prix season. Notwithstanding, he's still a shoo-in for Canadian Nationals, but World's is not so certain. Will be interesting! With the possibility of Carolina & Kim returning to the World scene in the ladies' competition, the intrigue is even more complex! What a treat for skating fans.
     
  4. Aussie Willy

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    Okay now I am really pissed off. You are such a deluded idiot that you don't think I am from Australia? Just because I might say anything slightly negative about Yu Na which YOU don't agree with? What makes you so superior that you think you can insult people and accuse them of not being from a county they say they are?

    I live in a suburb called Carrum Downs, I work in a suburb called Bentleigh East and I skate at a rink called the Icehouse in Docklands which is in the Melbourne CBD. Do a google search on all those things and then provide me an apology you freakin moron!!!!!

    In fact to suggest that someone is Asian because they take a stand point that you disagree with is stereotyping and has racist connotations.

    In the meantime I am going to put you on the ignore list because it is just not worth reading your shit!!!

    BTW - for those with the popcorn, I hope you have been suitably entertained :)
     
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  5. VarBar

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    Is it me or does almost every other thread on this message board switch to a discussion about Kwan or Chan sooner or later?:lol:

    I've just watched Yuna's free skate from the Korean Championships and I have to say I am deeply impressed with her level of skating, she is still the lady to beat IMO and if she skates at the next Worlds like she has at these recent Nationals, I would dare to predict she will get the highest technical score as well as highest components scores of all ladies out there whether the judges will feel something while watching her or not.
     
  6. kwanatic

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    ^^JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! :D
     
  7. spikydurian

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    Martyross, your long post nearly :watch: me except the last paragraph. :D
    Agree. There is unlikely any concrete solution to arguments on art and sports. Art is highly subjective and creativity is the key word. Sport is acquiring a set of skills and pitting these skills against others in competitions. We can all argue till kingdom come in skating forums and in all honesty, no end to who is right or wrong.

    Peace to all .... ;)
     
  8. dinakt

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    Yup. I cried at Savchenko/Szolkowy's "Schindler's List" at LA Worlds, and I was far away. And though "Shindler's List" is emotional music, it was not that. It was " They are so beautifully harmonious in every movement". And even Robin's falling on his a++ did not kill it. Skating is expressed in gestures to music, in having an overall idea and in attention to detail. One can choose to be a character, a different version of a character or one can choose to interpret music abstractly.
     
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  9. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    Aussie Willy :respec:
     
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  10. dinakt

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    Please. What does that even mean, why do you throw John Cage out there. What you suggest would simply mean skating with no music. Throwing John Cage's name on top of it would not be in competition rules, and not appropriate for a sport. I like Yu-Na's program, but it's not like she interpreted a late Beethoven Sonata! Les Mis is neither rocket science, nor conceptual avantgarde ( I like it and know every word by heart, but please let's not make it an inaccessible masterpiece understood by a select few)
     
  11. lakewood

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    So, you were one of the minorities who didn't feel.
     
  12. lowtherlore

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    Aussie Willy, please calm down. :) Sorry I pissed you off.

    I’ve been below equator just once, to Bali, Indonesia. I want to visit Melbourne, Tasmania and New Zealand, some other time.

    It was fun reading your posts. But for the concerted effort, I really hate buddy groups doing that in any on-line public forum, for several reasons.

    On the Asian remark, you misunderstood me. ;)
     
  13. bardtoob

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    Yeah, well IceAlisa did not feel it when watching Michelle Kwan either . . . as a result, we had a good time of it :argue: . . . Ah, the good old days . . . I had so many red blobs :D
     
  14. IceAlisa

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    There are a few programs of Kwan's that I really liked. :drama: And while I wasn't a fan of MK, I vastly prefer her over Yuna. As a skater, she always looked elegant on the ice.
     
  15. BigB08822

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    I wasn't comparing Kwan to Yu Na. I was making absolutely no remark about Yu Na's skating in my post. I was simply asking the poster if they had ever seen Kwan skate live because it was definitely not all about camera work, those same feelings came across to everyone in the arena. That is all.
     
  16. Aussie Willy

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    There is no misunderstanding - to quote you -
    Why mention Non-Asian if you were not suggesting I were? And what do you mean by being part of a buddy group? And to be so rude about someone does not suggest that it is fun reading my posts.

    Well you were incredibly wrong but because I am gracious I appreciate that you have apologised and I will accept it. But you really should think before you write something like that again about anyone on this forum.
     
  17. Iceman

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    I have never connected or been moved by Yu-na until this performance. She was a revelation to me. Her performance is a finely nuanced one with delicate subtlety. For me, it is the most exciting and moving performance I have seen from a male or female since Michelle left competition. The sheer beauty of it. A few of the hand movements seemed more mechanic than felt, but when a skater knows a difficult jump is coming up I would expect these kinds of occasional lapses.

    Does anyone think she might have peaked and too soon? I remember when Michelle skated Arianne (spelling) for the first time, at the world pro competition. She was absolutely brilliant and flawless. This was the program she did the Charlotte at the beginning. She never was able to skate the program that way again, not at nationals nor at worlds, albeit she was not feeling her best at worlds due to flu or cold.
     
  18. Iceman

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    Michelle is my favorite skater of all time but, really, saying "those same feelings came across to everyone in the arena" is not likely to be accurate. Personally, I appreciated her lots more on tv than live.
     
  19. lakewood

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    Fine. I think we all now know that everyone feels differently, and everyone on this forum knows that you don't like YuNa. Then, what is the point of your putting down YuNa so repeatedly, always the same story. That proves nothing except that you hate YuNa, which everybody already knows.
     
  20. Aussie Willy

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    I had a look at IceAlisa's posts and all I can see is that she is just not a fan of Yu Na. Just basically said Yu Na does nothing for her. Totally acceaptable to say that. But at no time is she putting her down, espousing hate nore being incredibly negative. It is just about personal preference. But the fact you are interpreting that way indicates that I think you are being particularly sensitive.
     
  21. l'etoile

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    That was my take, too. If anything, most of what IceAlisa has been saying/criticizing about Yuna could only help Yuna in her overall skating.
     
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    LMAO. Not every person who doesn't think Kim is a heavenly creature or the goddess of figure skating is Japanese. Although OTOH I do strongly suspect that a lot of the Kim fanaticism is strongly tied to patriotism.
    You are so ridiculously deluded. You need to realize that figure skating has been in existence long before Yuna Kim was born and there have been/are MANY skaters who have made a stronger artstic impression than she ever did and you need to stop blaming people who are simply not THAT impressed by her in that respect. Perhaps get out there and watch more figure skating would help?!
     
  23. BigB08822

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    Fair enough. Obviously not EVERYONE felt that way but I think my point still stands.
     
  24. lakewood

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    Perhaps, this was the first time you read Icealisa's post about YuNa. She has been saying exactly same story on YuNa again, again, over the years.
     
  25. lakewood

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    Sorry, but how could "I don't like her" comment in any way help YuNa in her overall skating? Could "I think she is ugly" comment help any woman to become beautiful?
     
  26. IceAlisa

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    Aussie Willy and l'etoile, thank you for understanding what I mean. And yes, I have been saying similar things about Yuna because the aspects of her skating that keep me from being a die hard fan haven't really improved. Every season that she competes I look for that change and every season I am disappointed.
     
  27. PUNKPRINCESS

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    I should have, why exactly? Almost every figure skating fan who posts on a forum and discusses figure skating in this day and age has come across that document, and if not, most are acquainted with a site called Google. I did not have a particular reference, since I was going by memory; hence the "if I remember correctly."

    http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-152086-169302-64121-0-file,00.pdf

    There it is. If you don't have Adobe Reader or Acrobat, again, try www.google.com

    Uh, yeah. It's completely off topic, I disagree with you, and that's NOT my point at all.

    My point was to reassert that while I agree with you that emotions are not judged as part of Choreography, they are judged as part of Performance. Then for some unknown reason you stated you had uncertainty on your part and that there is a PCS category of "Performance Execution" [sic], and that it's "not just performance" (an assertion that no one made.)

    If you are going to try to "correct" someone, at least be correct.
     
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  28. TripleWallie

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    I doubt she peaked already. Remember this girl just started her come-back training regimen a few months ago! She made some serious mistakes in the SP at nationals and she's publicly acknowledged in her interviews after the competition that she still has to work on her spins and other elements. I expect she'll be much improved by Worlds. Granted, I don't expect her to pull off another clean LP at Worlds, since Yuna rarely does clean LP's, but who knows, right?

    I also expect her to be much improved expression-wise. She must have focused at least 80% of her efforts in regaining her technical skills in the last few months, given her long break. Had she simply been in maintenance mode, she would have had more time to focus on and refine her choreography and performance. But based on what we know, she's spent most of her efforts rebuilding her stamina, retraining spins and refining jumps. I think now she's reached a point where she can concentrate more of her training time on musicality and expression for the next two months leading up to Worlds.
     
  29. yunasashafan

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    I have been following this thread closely and my feelings have shifted from being extremely proud of Yuna's accomplishment to a big disappointment when reading some of the exchanges that happened in this thread. I am really saddened by the fact that some posters whose opinions I respect deeply were treated the way they were for expressing an opinion.

    I am a huge Yuna fan (see my user name) but I would be the first to say that Yuna's performances at Korean nationals, to me, were not yet at her peak artistic standard. That does not take away from the fact that they were brilliant performances, technically outstanding, and got me tearing up at the end out of happiness for her and all her fans, especially in Korea, in that great moment. But, artistically, for me, the performances were "just" very good in comparison to her previous level. It is understandable that she woukd have been more focused on the technical side, especially after that much time away. In fact, as far as timing is concerned, this feels more like a summer competition for Yuna. I fully expect her to be at her artistic peak come worlds. There was already a huge difference from NRW, as far as i could see.

    So, i encourage Yuna fans to take a deep breath and not interpret any criticism of Yuna as an attack on her. Like all great skaters, she has strengths and weaknesses. Yuna herself acknowledged that she is not perfect and that, as of NRW three weeks ago, she was still more focused on the technical side. Programs take time to grow. Besides, no matter how much we, her fans, like her skating, some people, while still acknowledging her technical prowess, will not be as emotionally attached to it as we are. As far as I could tell, all posters were very complimentary of her achievement.

    Let's all enjoy these historical moments because, unfortunately for us Yuna fans, there aren't many of those left.
     
  30. bardtoob

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    I am thinking this went in a direction neither of use intended, PUNKPRINCESS. I'm hoping we can get past it. I did actually learn something despite this going all wrong.
     
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