Yuna Kim moving to LA: UPDATE 10/5 new coach P. Oppegard

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  1. Blair

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  2. Sylvia

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    FYI, discussion on this topic started in the "All That Skate LA" show thread last night ;): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=74623&page=9

    ETA a quote from the AFP newswire article that's posted in the other thread: "However, an [ATS] agency spokeswoman said the East West Ice Palace [in Artesia, California] is only a temporary venue."
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  3. Jenna

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    Hmm....who's in Southern Cali these days? Frank Carroll! :lol:

    But if they're only in Aretesia "temporarily," then I guess it's not him.
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    East West is a fantastic rink. I've only been there a few times but I liked skating there!
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    Hasn't Frank Carroll moved out near his home in Palm Springs? Actually sounds like she's not sure where she wants to permenantly settle. There's a large Korean population in LA, but it's downtown near the Staple Center...not sure of any coaches/rinks in that location.
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    Oh, yes, Carroll did move his training camp! That means he is still an option. ;)
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    He is temporarily at Ice Castle. His new rink is not open due to local city bureaucratic hold ups.
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    Actually the Koreatown in the City of LA is formed around the area called Mid-Wilshire district, which is about 5-10 minute drive from LA downtown and the Staples Centre. There’s a rink in West Los Angeles, but AFAIK there’s none in LA downtown or in Koreatown area. But the Los Angeles County and the adjacent Orange County have many other areas that have sizeable Korean and other Asian communities, including Cerritos and Artesia where Michelle's rink is located (only about 20 minute drive from LA downtown). The Pickwick rink in the City of Burbank is about 10-15 minute drive from LA downtown.
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    Interesting. I thought one of the reasons she enjoyed toronto was that she could be anonymous.I wonder how much she will be recognized in LA.

    I also wonder if the shorter flight time to S. Korea impacts the decision as well...
  10. lowtherlore

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    She will be more recognized in LA than in Toronto, but it still would be nowhere near the attention she gets in Korea. And for her residence she could choose a suburban area nearby her training venue with less Korean American concentration. She would have easy access to the nearby Korean community for shopping etc. as there are many sizeable Korean communities all over the LA and Orange County, unless she choose a place like Lake Arrowhead which is a long drive from LA.
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    It would be great if ATS LA becomes an annual event, just like Yuna's shows in Korea.
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    maybe the coach is....Danny Kwan:eek:
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    Karen Kwan has worked as a choreographer and her husband, 1988 Olympic pairs bronze medalist, Peter Oppegard has worked as a coach at the East West Skating Palace in Artesia. Karen is the skating director there too.
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    I doubt anyone is serious about Carroll being an option, but with Mirai's placement at the Olympics- I would say she an Yuna are going to be in direct competition this quad, and it would be poor form for him to take Yuna on.

    I know he's coached multiple elite skaters, but do coaches ever have skaters like that who are realistically aiming for the same podium?
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    You mean besides in ice dance or pairs? :shuffle:
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    Well outside of ice dance. I don't follow pairs well enough to know it's common (the two florida pairs being the only I know, and I don't think many people thought it would be so close between them). In Singles, do coaches do this much? (I remember it was an issue when Nagasu moved because Kostner was with Carroll, and the general consensus was they weren't in direct competition because Nagasu was "2nd tier")
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    Didn't stop either Nicolai or Linichuck. Conflict of interest? Money talks :p.

    Carlo Fassi also had both Kadavy and Trenary as students at the same time.

    Didn't Nicolai part way with TT in late 02/ early 03, because he was helping MK with choreography while also working with TT to train Sasha?
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    Weren't Urmanov, Yags and Plush realistically aiming for the same podiums (at least at Russian Nats and Euros) when all were coached by Mishin?
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    Yes, but as I remember it, Yags and Plushy were Mishin's "garbage" that were allowed to shine only after Prince Poppycock was too injured to compete. :D

    :cheer: Yu-na coming to SoCal! More opps to catch her perform.
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    Mishin took on Yagudin and Plushenko when they were both pretty young, and Urmanov was established. For the most part I think Urmanov probably didn't feel that threatened because I doubt he was thinking much beyond 98 and was really always the better skater (who talk is got most of the attention)

    Yagudin and Plushenko were both pretty young and unproven, but we know very well that situation blew up as soon as it was clear they were going to be going 1-2 for the forseeable future.

    I think it depends on the situation, and some coaches can make it work. But there's a big difference between a top skater having to deal with a young skater whose been training with them for years, getting better (and especially when they are thinking about retiring) and/or a young skater having to deal with the fact that their coach already has a star. Well there's a big difference between that and a skater who was top 4 at the Olympic games, and planning on achieving great results, having to deal with the reigning Olympic champ deciding they want to use their coach.

    I think Mirai pretty much has dibs on Frank as far as I'm concerned, and I think that if Yu-na went to skate with Frank, it would have to be only if Mirai was okay with it. As far as I'm concerned if the idea of Mao/Orser made Yu-na upset than she should give the same kind of consideration to Mirai.
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  25. Doubletoe

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    I can't imagine Yu-Na wanting to train with anyone less "prestigious" than Frank Carroll, and I honestly wouldn't put it past Frank to take her on. He trained Carolina Kostner and Mirai Nagasu at the same time, so why should he start being exclusive to Mirai now? Especially when he is trying to draw skaters to a new rink out in the middle of nowhere? He'll need all the help and publicity he can get! In the meantime, I can't imagine YuNa would mind training in Lake Arrowhead, which is pretty cumbersome to get to, and should give her a little privacy.
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    Maybe Yu-Na is going to LA because she does not know where to go and is hoping she will be approached by a coach. (Where's Robin Wagner? :lol:)

    Urmanov should have moved on by the time Yag and Plushy were mature, but he stayed in for more eligible skating after overachieving in 1994 . . . probably because nobody wanted to sign him for a tour since his skating was not very entertaining in comparison to :yikes: Petrenko (which is oh so very sad).

    Not likely. That's not how it works.

    I do not think that prospect would be very interesting to Frank. Although I could be wrong since I do not know Frank. However, what's there to teach Yu-Na? Not much . . . maybe fix her layback spin free leg, but he is not exactly an expert on that.
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  27. loulou

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    Actually, Kostner moved when Nagasu was already with Carroll.
    And that argument the two skaters were not in direct competition was so short-sighted.
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  29. bek

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    If Yu-na was just into prestigious coaches, wouldn't she have gone to a more prestigous coach in 2006-2007. I mean yes Brian Orser was a World champion and 2 Olympic silver medalist, but he was new coach.
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    The question is, are Frank Carroll and Yuna a good fit? As Orser once said in pre-Olympic interviews, Yuna wants to take control of the situation and likes to have a say in her training, and I am not sure how much Frank Carroll would be up for that.
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    Basically, it's his way or the highway. Why would he even consider coaching her?
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    Carroll took Kostner while he was coaching Nagasu. He would certainly give it a thought if he received an offer. But in the end I think Arutunian should be it considering his style of coaching I (think I) know of. Besides, he lives not too far from LA; Yuna seems to like LA a lot with a firm support base from the large Korean community and all.
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    Frank Caroll has so many students now. Didn't Yuna's team want someone who can devote a lot of time to her? I don't think it can work out well with Caroll being even busier than Orser.
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    Wow. Overachieving? Nobody wanted to sign his since he was not very entertaining? I'm sorry you have such a low appreciation for such a great champion, and possibly the finest triple axel ever.
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    Maybe I'll have to eat the following words someday but I REALLY don't think Frank Carroll is a consideration. I don't think she's going to compete this year so I wouldn't waste time guessing who it´ll be. In a month or so she´ll name someone from Kwans rink as a coach and just coast for a while.
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    Kim mentions training in LA for a time when she was young. Who did she work with then?
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    Summer skating camp. According to her book, she went to her first summer camp in LA when she was 3rd grade. Next year, she went to IceCastle and saw Kwan first time at the restroom.
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    I remember reading that. It was funny how she described it and adorable at the same time. :lol: Obviously she was star struck when she saw Michelle.
  39. museksk8r

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    I agree BittyBug. I've never been a fan of the "overachieving" theories either. I didn't see any shady judging at all when Urmanov won Olympic gold. Alexei easily and deservingly won the SP and I believe he did enough to deserve to win the LP too with the only glaring mistake being a step out of a 3flip. It's not his fault that Stojko singled a 3Axel and lacked his attention to choreography and musicality. It's not his fault that Candeloro fell on a 3Axel and lacked his attention to body line and skating skills. It's not his fault that all the veteran favorites Petrenko, Browning, and Boitano all crumbled in their SPs leaving them buried in the pack in desperation to crawl up in the LP standings. As for the entertainment comment, there have been and are plenty of skaters who get signed on to shows whom I don't find entertaining. One person's treasure is another person's trash I guess. :shuffle: I don't think it's accurate to say that's why a skater didn't get signed to do a show unless you have undeniable evidence to support such a statement. Urmanov may have decided to decline touring in one part of the world so that he could tour closer to home to be with family and friends. Unless you're him, his agent, or someone close to him, you really don't know the true reasons.
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    Kim and Kwan should get along just fine. Two of a kind.

    Kim has been criticized (rightly so, IMO) for her treatment of Orser, when she (and/or STS) decided to end the coaching relationship. Similar behaviour has been observed in Kwan.

    At a reception a few years ago, one of my :sekret: was having a conversation at a reception with a well-known coach that :sekret: knew quite well. Kwan waltzes up and interrupts the conversation *in mid-sentence*. She didn't have the courtesy to wait a few seconds for a pause, or say "excuse me" and enter the conversation. It was as if the person conversing with the coach was invisible, and that she expected the coach (not hers) to immediately pay attention to *Her*. Incredibly rude, and self-entitled behaviour, and absolutely no excuse for it.

    Now, there was no media or other people nearby to capture/witness this behaviour. All skaters are gracious when they know they are being observed. But you get insight into someone's true character when the spotlight is "off". [I remember someone posting a few years ago about how gentle and kind Kurt Browning was to a child who had a gift for him when no one else was around.]

    When I heard about this, it struck me that all of the "Kween" b.s. had clearly gone to Kwan's head. Let's hope that she has acquired some polish as a result of the diplomacy work she is supposedly doing since then-manners like that won't cut it at an embassy parties. [And yes, Kwan was an *adult* when this occurred and old enough to know better- she was no longer skating competitively.]