Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Aug 26, 2013.
But still... I would have expected more Croatians/Europeans than Koreans...
I remember at LA Worlds in the SP, arena was half full and then WHOOSH. Packed to the roof not an empty seat in sight when Yuna's group started warming up, Korea is where the Yuna is.
I think her SP is lovely, the dress isn't my favorite color but she still looks beautiful. Her expression has just come light years. However, I do feel that Mao Asada has a stronger short program.
I've heard a rumor but didn't know it was decided.
Here's the way I look at it: this is Yuna's first toe in the competitive water this season. My own view is that this program is going to get a lot better by Sochi.
But what has she accomplished, here? She's shown that her SP is going to put her somewhere around the lead after the short segment, easy. My suspicion is that if she skates on all cylinders and clean, this will measurably lead the field at the end of the skating day, maybe by a few points.
Even if she made absolutely no additional progress (a highly unlikely scenario; given where she is in the evolution of the program, the GPF ladies are probably closer to their plateaus than Yuna is to hers) and skated this exact same, somewhat imperfectly executed performance, it would still put her at or around the lead, given the way that the season scores of the ladies field have played out.
This should worry the field greatly, because all Yuna needs, from a strictly competitive point of view, is to be in the hunt at the end of the first day. Her real scoring leverage and advantage comes in the Free Skate. Strategically, if I'm a skater other than Yuna that wants a real shot at gold, I would really try to get a hold of a lead in the SP as my best shot. If I haven't shaken Yuna off at that point, then I know that my chances are likely going to get worse, much worse, in the Long.
I wish she would take some time to set the mood at the beginning. It appeared like she was totally uninterested and couldn't wait to set off for the jumps.
Having said that, the triples were wonderful and the skating was beautiful.
I agree with all that you said. I still feel Mao's short is stronger because it's music perfectly tailored to her style, plus the 3axel (without the downgrade at GPF her score would've been 76-77!), but I think Yuna has a better long (even just based on the practice). She's still head and shoulders. There's just a new Mao to deal with now. And I love them both.
Well, Did you translated their commentary by yourself? What they said was "Miki's jumps looked clean." Then talking about character of Yuna's jumps - Flow, height, length, speed, etc. And then just one statement "Miki's jumps are not as great as Yuna's." They continuously praised mama Miki's return and careers. If you don't agree with my dictation, reply me.
Most of them from Korea.
Some of them from nearby European countries.
And about 40 to 50 Korean people lives in Croatia, +20,000 visited Croatia in 2011 and there is the Korean embassy since 2005.
Thanks for reminding me
My biggest fear is that not only will we get obnoxious music choices that may not stand the test of time (I could only imagine what "deep" Coldplay programs we could have gotten if they changed the rule in the early 2000s) but we'll have single skaters doing vocal version of standards that simply overpower their skating (like Chock/Bates Les Miz FD this year).
Koreans can travel, you know, and certainly do so for Yuna.
Yuna's LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-LuRoxUhQw
Thank you! I'd love to hear from people who were there. She looked slower and more methodical than usual, which wouldn't be surprising under the circumstances, but it might have looked different live. I don't think the dress is that flattering. The open back on the dress makes her own back look more curved. She's still got quite a bit of time before Sochi, and I think the program will look even better by then and she'll be in better condition.
Are you talking about the LP? I thought she looked really nervous before she took her starting position. And the look on her face after the 3f, in the crossovers, make me think she was just not on her game today.
Yep, she looked really nervous. She took longer than normal to take her pose in the beginning and she seemed cautious throughout. Not skating with the same fire and speed we're used to. That being said, I'm disappointed with those music cuts for the LP. It doesn't build enough, and the scales are excessive.
Thank you for the vids. Yuna's jumps are still gorgeous despite the falls. She's back from nursing an injury so some kind of cautious approach is expected. I would rather that she be cautious here than risk re-injuring. The fire should be reserved for Sochi.
I think her programs are boring. They're pretty in a GFB sort of way. Keeping the same jump layout as last year does not help. I miss the freshness of Kim's Bond SP from 2010. I think Mao's programs are also on the snooze fest side. The women competition at Sochi could be a big bore.
I love her LP, though. Wasn't delivered well today, but there's a lot of choreography and potential for sass in that program.
Do hope Kostner brings back Bolero, though.
The Bond program was AMAZING! It was fresh, original, and fun l with a dash of sauciness and attitude. No one I can recall has done anything similar to it. I feel like her packaging (program choreography+music+outfits) for this time's Olympics is sloppy compared to what she had 4 years ago.
Love the dress.
This performance makes me believe she was really injured.
I actually think Yuna's LP this year is an extension, or a more elaborate version of her Bond program.
YuNa looks like she is doing everything she can to get through that program. She looks like she doesn't have the stamina. She also looks like she is mustering everything in her to compete and that underneath she is miserable. I thing she is competing out of loyalty to her country and it is taking everything she has to do it. I admire her loyalty, but it looks to me like she is paying a high price.
*Sigh* Why do figure skating fans, among all sports fans, believe with such frightening conviction that they can read other people's minds?
Unless one is an Operating Thetan and Tom Cruise's next designated bride...
I read the post previous to this as that Yuna looked tired and muscling it out. Surely, one can usually tell if a skater is tired/low energy. This doesn't involve mind reading.
"YuNa looks like she is doing everything she can to get through that program. She looks like she doesn't have the stamina. She also looks like she is mustering everything in her to compete and that underneath she is miserable. I thing she is competing out of loyalty to her country and it is taking everything she has to do it. I admire her loyalty, but it looks to me like she is paying a high price."
This is not the first time that you have demonstrated eccentrically selective reading skills. It's actually somewhat unnerving in a self-described healthcare professional.
You don't think there's pressure from the Korean fed? Have you not been following this sport and information on Yuna over the last few seasons?
As to the rest, FU. If you only knew how poor your timing is with your idiotic comment.
-Of course the Korean Fed has expectations. Every national Fed does. How does this demonstrate that she is driven by loyalty and miserable because of it?
-I dislike losing my temper. That you boldly declared black to be white made me do so. If there are circumstances which made my admittedly sarcastic response hurtful, I can only say that it was meant to convey a sharp, snarky point, nothing more.
-Perhaps you ought to stop commenting on my posts for a while? I will reciprocate.
Personally, I doubt her federation has much to hang over Kim's head. She's a multi millionaire. And its not like they have other female figure skaters to promote over her.
I think if there's people pressuring her its familial and sponsors.
Now I think Kim herself feels some responsibility to help promote Korean figure skating, given how many skaters she supports. Something I give her credit for.
In terms of whether she's happy or not, I kind of agree that we don't know her mind. I've noticed she didn't seem as excited about her worlds win as previous..But she may be use to it.
This skate in general makes me think maybe she really is in recovery from an injury.
As for her unhappiness about her skate. Of course Kim would be unhappy with that free.
YuNa has very respectfully spoken of The fact that she chose to compete to help her country -and has said that is more of her goal than winning gold personally. I wasn't reading minds on that note. I like and respect YuNa a lot -but she doesn't look like there is much personal joy. She strikes me as very loyal and respectful and like she is carrying a heavy load for her country. I just think that is very hard to do. And she looks burdened and like its taking a toll - could be wrong.
I picked up on the lack of joy last Worlds. It's likely hard to get the same excitement and drive after you've conquered every height in this sport and won every medal. I am such an amazing mind reader, go me.
And I've been reading here about some of the motivations behind Yuna's comeback, as you mentioned kathy sullivan, for her country. It's really not the same as skating for yourself, because you love it so much. That said, if Yuna recovers enough to put down 2 clean performances, the 2nd OGM is very likely hers. And I love her LP dress.
You are certainly right that Yuna has spoken about her commitment to help foster the further development of Korean skating. My point is that, even just on the basis of personal introspection, it should be clear to all of us that people can have a multiplicity of motivations and incentives, usually at the same time. I know it's certainly true of me. I work to monetarily benefit myself, but also because I want to take care of those close to me, and also because I seek to enjoy and find fulfillment in what I do. That fulfillment might, I hope, encompass community and societal goals that I believe in as well.
It's certainly possible that Yuna was fatigued at Golden Spin. But there are many possible explanations for this. The one that she herself has offered, both prior to, during, and after the competition, is the fact that she is not yet at peak physical condition, including both her injured foot and her stamina, and therefore was somewhat concerned and cautious. Given these statements, Occam's Razor would lead me to believe that this is the main cause of her current fatigue. At the very least, however, the evidence that the fatigue is primarily a result of mental stress due to an unwilling compliance to duty is not compellingly obvious, in my view.
I don't have an issue in saying that "loyalty" is a motive for Yuna. I agree that there is good evidence that it is. It is also a motive for other skaters, including Ashley "Three Spots" Wagner. But I strongly disagree that there is anywhere near sufficent reason to believe that she is somehow different from the vast majority of the human race, at least in the developed world, in holding this as her sole, or even primary, motivation. It makes her sound like some obedient beast of burden with no strong will or goals of her own making. There is almost something orientalist about this which I object to. I have been an expat in several Asian and European countries for extended periods, and my personal experience tells me that modern Asian women will not act in such a docile or compliant manner if they can help it, especially, as bek has pointed out, if they have the independent means, fame, prestige, and other levers of power that Yuna possesses.
I appreciate the reasonable tone of your explanation, so I hope I am also equally clear in my views.
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