Yuna Kim announces new programs for 2013-14 season

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  1. Sylvia

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  2. riveredge

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    i hope the choreography of Adios Nonino is strong and yet passionate and it will be a challenge for her because she never skate a clean program in the lp that is not soft and lyrical

    send in the clowns is such a beautiful piece which is interesting because yuna never skated to a soft and not upbeat music in the sp
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    Not sure I'd call Les Mis soft or lyrical. It had a 'slow' middle section with "On My Own" but the rest can hardly be called 'soft'. On the other hand, "Home to Korea" and the "Lark Ascending" were much more lyrical/soft and yet she wasn't clean. I don't think Yuna going clean has anything to do with the music...
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    'Send in the clowns' should be a beautiful program. I look forward to it.

    I am not familiar with the LP music.
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    I think Adios Nonino is a fantastic LP choice for Yuna :cheer: ...I'm more hesitant about the SP choice, it's a great piece, but not something I'd associate with Yuna, I'm sure she will make me warm up to it though.
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  7. my little pony

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    send in the clowns without a hoop is kind of a let down
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    I will root for her if she goes full on clown make-up and paints a single tear on her cheek.
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    Jeffrey Buttle skated to Adios Nonino but it was the short program for him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsphwWu1B2s
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    Cool choices! Can't wait for the programs. I'm not a huge fan of Send in the Clowns (love Sondheim, but I think it's his weakest song), but I think it could work well for Yu-Na.
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    Absolutely, I wish it was the contrary : Send in the clowns as LP and Adios Nonino as SP !
  14. riveredge

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    i love this version... can' t wait!

    yuna said that this lp is the most difficult program she's ever done.. so it will be interesting what kind of choreography david wilson did for her..
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    yeah, 'send in the clowns' revival at the olympics. such a greta program of s/s, i expect the same of yu-na kim. for myself, gorgeous choices, i'm really looking forward to see her skating to this
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    Challenging choice for LP.
    This music is difficult to interpret, and (while being a very beautiful music) is somewhat boring. Even Buttle‘s brilliant ‘short‘ program (which is not LP like Yuna) gave me ‘zzZ‘ moments.
    Piazzolla pieces such as Oblivion, Milonga Del Angel etc. would be more ear-catching to audience and less difficult to interpret.

    Anyway, among singles Yuna‘s music choices with Dai‘s are the most fresh and not-conservative.
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    Kim Yu-na announces new programs for upcoming season
    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130826000745

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  19. Marco

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    I wanna bet Yuna will be heavily pressured to come back in 2018, especially if the current young girls fail to live up to their promises.
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    Both music choices sound good to me. Clowns is a classic piece and I think she'll be able to pull it off very nicely. Kanako Murakami's skated to Piazzolla last season for her FS and used Adios Nonino as one of her selections. I think Yu-Na's Tango de Roxanne was one of her strongest programs and she definitely able to pull off the tango feel without a problem. I'm glad she views the program as difficult. Even though she could easily coast to Sochi if she wanted to, it's nice to see her still challenging herself.
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    I'm glad that she will be skating to music that she loves.
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    I can't understand skaters like those
    In other words, It means they already have disadvantages
    It's an olympic season. they don't know?
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    Sometimes safe isn't always better. 90% of the skaters who are aiming to go to the Olympics are going to be playing it safe this year. I'm more impressed by the 10% who try something new/unconventional. In the end I think it's better b/c it will help them to stand out more among the zillion warhorses we've seen 60 billion times already.
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    What's so special and different about her music choices? Both have been done before multiple times - and Adios Nonino has also been used in an LP (e.g. Laura Lepisto). If anything, I think her choices for the previous Olympic season were more original. Dai's SP is an original choice, but a Beatles program is not groundbreaking, either (though hopefully he will bring something fresh to it, as he was able to do with Blues for Klook).

    I know Yuna fans think everything she does is brilliant, and I believe that the SP music - and possibly the LP as well - may work very well for her. But to go so far as calling them the freshest, most non-conservative choices is rather hyperbolic. Unless you mean music choices over their whole careers? But I don't think that works, either.
  25. Frau Muller

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    Adios Nonino is FIERCE music for a kick-arse LP. Love it! Perfect choices for Yuna. I'm really looking forward to this.
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    Real leaders of the sport should take more initiatives and risks, not tried and tested formulas. It should be as much as to go out to get 'it' as oppose to not 'letting it go'.

    I am not surprised my favourite skaters all ends up making the music choices I like the best, Yuna, Dai and Jeremy. Sad to see Hanyu missing his sparkle this year, repeat both his programs (even if is to a different music, it is still Romeo).
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    I agree. I think those two pieces will work very well for Yuna, but they are hardly groundbreaking.
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    I'm intrigued by her LP - Adios isn't necessarily good LP music to me, though I did like Lepisto's programme, even if that musical arrangement wasn't particularly to my taste. It's potentially quite a samey piece of music; however I remember seeing a live modern interpretative dance set to it, and it was WONDERFUL - vibrant, energetic and passsionate. I hope Yu-Na can bring even a little of that.

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    I am also a little puzzled by this. Both pieces have been used by skaters at previous Olympics. Adios Nonino has become a pretty standard Tango piece in skating. Lulu's version remains the best for me personally.
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    Didn't Gao skate to Adios Nonino last year...or am I mixing it up with Libertango? If so, maybe it's not too late for Yuna to incorporate a little Libertango into the mix. Libertango is totally fierce.

    p.s. - Adios Nonino was fantastic music for LuChen in 98 (SP) and Tuktamysheva in 11/12. It's fierce enough and should serve Yuna well.
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    Uh... this is the COP, name 3 ground breaking programs this year, last year, or even just under the COP system. It is likely to have been repeated somewhere. It is about how you do it, not what you do anyway.

    This Tango as a LP is very unconventional and challenging.

    It is also about relativity... it is certainly more interesting than compare to something like another Warhorse piece for Sochi, e.g Scheherazade ;P
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    Then perhaps we should wait to see the actual programs before deeming it interesting and groundbreaking? ;)


    I feel like I have seen enough skaters performing to Adios Nonino for it to reach Warhorse level for me. Personally, I also find Scheherazade to be a boring choice but that doesn't mean skaters can't make it interesting. Perhaps, making a warhorse piece interesting and skating to an risky, original piece are equally challenging.
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    Libertango is definitely NOT a warhorse like Carmen and such. It's in the 'it-pops-up-occasionally' category. I can only imagine what a drop-dead-gorgeous dress Yuna may wear for this with her ultra-long limbs. :watch:
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    Except no one claim the music choice is ground breaking before the accusation got thrown around.
    Unless in your dictionary 'non-conservative' = 'ground breaking'. Talk about over exaggeration to nit pick.

    There have certainly been many skate to tango music, 1-2 seasons ago was practically the year of the tangos including by Kostner. Adios has been performed by Liza and Kanaco's as well, but none of them manage to make even a slight dint on El Tango de Roxanne Yuna's senior debut program, with a world record and set the tone for her particular brand of sensational program. It is kind of fitting she bid farewell to the sport with another tango to book end a great career (written as a farewell piece), and remind people how it can be done (at least I hope. Nothing is guaranteed in skating.)
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  37. Zemgirl

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    The discussion is about original music choices, not programs. For instance, many fans felt that V/M were able to perform a very unique and fresh take on Carmen, and that's as warhorsey as you can get in skating.

    I will take on your challenge, however, and list more original music choices. Savchenko/Szolkowy's SP music was composed especially for them, so obviously that hasn't been done before. Eric Radford composed the music he and Meaghan Duhamel are using for their - SP, I think? - so that's not been done before, either. Carolina Kostner is skating her SP to Dvořák's Humoresque, I don't recall that one used by any high profile skaters, at least not recently. Two seasons ago she used that Shostakovitch piece for her SP, I didn't actually think anyone could skate to it until I saw her do it. Last season, Kavaguti and Smirnov skated to February by Leonid Levashkevich, which I don't believe anyone else has used. Patrick Chan's Elegie SP was and is a fairly original choice.

    It may certainly be challenging, but it is not unconventional. There's nothing wrong with a skater challenging themselves to interpret a better known piece (see my example of Dai and Blues for Klook earlier); I only object to the characterization of the music in such cases as fresh and unconventional.
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    By popping up occasionally, do you mean every time the OD/SD rhythm has a tango? ;)
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    I feel some people overrate the role of the skaters in the choice of the music for their new programs. I really have trouble to believe that Send In The Clowns was Yuna's choice for that matter. Wilson worked with Savchenko/Szolkowy/Steuer this summer and maybe this made him watch or rewatch some of S/S's programs and was inspired by their Send in The Clowns. Also, Adios Nonino is not a new piece for Wilson. As far as Takahashi's The Beatles, again I have my doubts it would have been Takahashi's suggestion to Nichol. Lori is one of the choreographers who leave the choice of music to her students much less than other choreographers. She said something to that effect in a conversation with PJ Kwong that can be found on youtube. The Beatles isn't completely new for Nichol either, she choreographed an ex program for Patrick Chan to Yesterday when Chan was 17 or something. Oh, and does anyone really think Kostner was dying to skate to Sheherazade? lol
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    I still think you are nitpicking and making a mountain out of mole hill and frankly I question your motivation.

    It is not like she has not chosen original materials before, take her Homage to Korea, it was cut out of 4-5 different music track not even from the same genre, composer or periods. Same with Les Mis, the entire structure of the program have been re arched for an unfamiliar cut music program. Kiss of the Vampire was entirely out of the box, a little known Hammers movie sound effect no one heard of (to many probably unskatable) to compete against the world's greatest recognized master works. There are no safety net for these choices.

    You mentioned she was more original in her last Olympics, yet you can apply the same argument you are using now to them as well. Bond never used? Gershwin in F? Humoresque hasn't been used for skating, but it is certainly one of the most famous classical music around. Certainly in many of UK's commercials. I love the fact composers can write music for individual skaters, or that skaters can find music that have never been skated before, but why should you measure anyone against these impossible standards out of a 'non-conservative' comment?

    Again, I have always maintained it is not what you do but how you do it that counts, so just wait for the programs first.

    BTW I disagree with you, Shostakovitch music is very skateable, it has good obvious allegretto / staccato structure - steady brisk rhythm that can carry the performance and it is also great to hide lack of finesse, nuance and subtlety which are among Kostner's greatest weaknesses on top of her lack of consistency. The meaning and music intention of the composer however is entirely lost on the performance, it is not a particular deep reading of the music beyond form.

    Lori is the master of packaging under the COP and that is why she works great with Kostner who has
    certainly many merit to her skating but finesse and subtlety are not her strength. I really like her Humoresque choice however, it is one of those simple pieces of delightful music that can say so much about the depth and the maturity of performer and their personality, I may be proven wrong, since there are tons of opportunity to display finesse and subtlety if she allows it.
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