Yuna Kim announces her comeback to competitive skating

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  1. TripleWallie

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    I'm not so sure about a take-it-easy strategy. I think she needs to gain momentum this coming season, not wait until the 2014 season. She'll need at least a World medal to be considered a contender in Sochi in the eyes of the judges. Having a World medal or title goes a long way to securing an Olympic medal or even gold. Only way around that is pure luck--a la Sarah Hughes. I don't think Yuna wants to count mostly on luck.
  2. RumbleFish

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    Easier said than done, isn't it.;)

    Do you know you are demanding a world title from someone who has been eating potato chips for last year and a half, and the competition is only half year ahead?
  3. a56

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    That's true. I forgot that they only have one spot for 2013 worlds, so if she finishes in the top 2, they get 3 spots for the 2014 Olympics & Worlds. If she finishes in the top 10, they get 2. However, that solidifies my feeling that she feels an obligation to get these extra spots, either from within herself or from others, even if it's only a secondary reason. If she doesn't compete next year, then they'll most likely end up with zero or 1 spot for the 2014 Olympics, unless if someone else qualified via Nebelhorn.
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  4. Jammers

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    But there will be pressure on Kim that Witt didn't have in 1994. Like you said Witt wasn't a contender in 94 being away from competition for 6 years with her outdated outdated jump and being almost 30. Kim will only be 23 in Sochi and if she gets in shape will still be a contender so how much of the Olympics will she really be able to enjoy?
  5. Japanfan

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    But the Russian strategy is a competitive one and getting the technical content down is a huge part of being a medal contender. Yunah did have a 3-3 in her arsenal, , after all.

    Personally I'm rooting for the Russian girls over Yunah :slinkaway. . In part that's because it is so darn tough for Russian single lady skaters to get any recognition, so they really have to be fighters. I always tend to root for the underdog. And in part it is because while I totally appreciate Yunah, I don't adore her skating. Plus, if she wins the 2014 Olympics because no one else has stepped up to the plate in the past four years, it won't be a very exciting competition.

    My personal favourite is Mao, but I fear her best days have come and gone. . .Kostner at her best could give Kim some competition, but will Kostner retain her form from last season through to Sochi?

    Not to mention, comebacks are more easily said than done. I won't believe that any of those promising to come back (Lysacek, Weir, Yunah) will actually achieve that until it happens. Emanuel Sandhu's comeback lasted 10 minutes - Sasha Cohen's, only through Nationals.
  6. t.mann

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    Agree.

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  8. senorita

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    Yes but then Mao and Yuna started with the same mentality. Remember the jumps Mao used to do when she beated Sasha and Irina? And Liza and Adelina will be over 17 in the Sochi Olys, and will have competed in seniors 2 seasons plus the one they already did compete in Gp. Yuna was less than 17 when she competed in her first Worlds and won the bronze. And you know when Mao started her senior career. I dont see a difference between their path so far and the Russians or whoever starts now.

    Plushenko was eating pizza and chocolate a year before Vancouver, I think Yuna looks in much better shape than he did in 2008
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    Agree. The situation of Plushenko was more mess. He had to lose 10 kilos in 2009. But Yuna looks great still now :)
  10. Iceman

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    I think she is too psychologically fragile for this to materialize.
  11. kwanatic

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    This sport is slowly progressing towards a display of jump elements with a few spins and crossovers thrown in. Look at the monster score Alena Leonova got for her SP in Nice. That program was horse sh*t and yet she was rewarded the top score of the night. I'd hate to see Yu-Na lower herself to that standard of skating. She's the only skater of this IJS era to maximize the system on both ends, TES and PCS. If she took a Morosov approach to her skating it would break my heart. I hate it when skaters have to compromise their style and what makes them special just to earn a score. She can start off with a less demanding technical load and build her way up heading into Soichi, but I really hope she doesn't strip her skating down in terms of choreography, transitions and artistry.

    If Yu-Na came out and did a program a la Alena Leonova (basically end to end jumping with zero in between) she'd quickly lose me as a fan. The choreography and transitions are what make her skating enjoyable so I really hope she doesn't go that route.
  12. l'etoile

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    Beautiful transitions and commitment, dedication to the choreography are what brought Yuna onto the spotlight in terms of presentation and her reputation. I hardly doubt she's ever take Morozov-approach ever. Lots of skaters may compromise, but Yuna? I don't think so.
  13. lauravvv

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    Read at least one of the articles posted here where Yuna explains her reasons. Try to believe that she is not lying at least this one time.

    I really doubt that, as she has never needed that to receive the needed marks. There are other things that she needs to work on in order to get them back. If she manages that and to attain some psychological stability, it should be enough.


    Don't bother. It seems that most people here are not interested in show performances, since they can't fathom that those might be any good nowadays (or they were never interested in skating outside of competition to begin with). So, most likely no one will watch this. But I absolutely agree with you (I have seen this program/performance and other performances from Yuna that, to me, showed that she can enjoy skating).
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  14. kwanatic

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    I don't either, but just the suggestion hit a nerve for me. :mad:
  15. RumbleFish

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    You see, this is the exactly type of thing her camp should look out for, i.e. comparing her 2014 program and performance to those of 2010.

    Poor girl is being asked to better her own past performances rather than those of her competitors. How is that for fairness, sigh.

    It would be reasonable to guess that she won't likely repeat or better her Vancuver performances. She was at the peak of her game in 2010, as well-trained as ever, and free of nagging injuries. Now, she is older and has taken a lengthy vacation out of competitions.

    BTW, let me clarify what I mean by taking it easy on transitions and choreography. I imagine it would be something like her 2009 LP to Sheherazade. It wasn't nearly difficult and intricate as her 2010 Concerto in F program, though it was a pretty program nicely woven together. It did, however, provide enough breathing room for Kim, who always had trouble getting through a long program without running out of steam. If she gets back into her 2010 shape, she might want to turn on the heat with her 2014 Olympic program, but I think a moderate program will suit her needs for this season.

    If a program like Sheherazade isn't going to be good enough for you, I wouldn't know what to say.

    I also think you won't have to worry about Kim pulling a Leonova. I expect Kim and Wilson have more sense of decency than Leonova and Morozov will ever have.
  16. spikydurian

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    :respec: She has been there and she should know what to expect. Michelle would have told her what different pressure she is likely to face (based on Michelle's own experience). She's a sensible girl. I am sure she knows her strengths and limitations. I like the fact that her return will up the ante for the ladies. Just like Plushenko and Weir's return will also increase the competition in the men. Good on you Yuna. Just do your best.
  17. kwanatic

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    I get where you're coming from 100%. She shouldn't extend herself if she doesn't need to and in this current ladies field, she soooooo doesn't need to. As long as the rest of her skating stays constant (meaning her SS, CH, IN and PE) are at her level--which it will be b/c she's Yu-Na --she can afford to ease up on her technical content if need be. A 3lz-3t is all she needs to set her apart from the rest of the field; she could even downgrade to the 3f-3t if she wanted to. There are only a handful of ladies successfully hitting that lz-t combo and I don't think any of them were at worlds.

    I think her two programs from 2011 deserve another shot. She only performed them once and neither one was clean or performed to its potential. If not, I'd love to see her bring back her 2007 programs (Tango and Lark). She was budding as an artist back then; I'd love to see her perform them now with the level of maturity and polish she's gained over the years. She and David could even revamp them a bit. Either way, I know she won't be approaching this in a half-assed manner. I'm really excited to see what she can do! :rollin:
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    I thought the reason she switched to 3lz-3t was because she was getting ! calls on the flip when she did the 3f-3t? I would love if she brought it back though since it had slightly more oomph than the 3lz-3t.

    I really don't think she should (or would) repeat her 2007 programs. Tango de Roxanne was a masterpiece and as we've seen with Michelle and her Rach SP, repeating masterpieces don't really have the same effect the second time.
    As for Lark Ascending, that was another gem even though it was never skated cleanly. I don't think Yuna or David will ever go the repeat route except probably revamping Arirang. If she goes with Arirang again, I hope they find new music for the footwork section. I couldn't stand those voices or whatever the hell it was in the background.

    On a related note... whatever happened to Shae-Lynn choreographing her 2011 SP? Was it ever revealed why that never happened?
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    This certainly took me by surprise. I have to wonder if she'll end up changing her mind again, though. Figure skating just seems so different now from when Yuna was tearing up the scene a few years ago. Plus she's competed once in the past 2 years, and this past season not at all, I know she still trains, but she's getting older and with all that time off I imagine it would be tough to get back into her former dominating form.
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    There was no official explanantion on why it did not happen. But something can be guessed from my old memories.

    IIRC, when Yuna was supposed to start the SP work with Shae-Lynn, the Kim-Orser split blew up unexpected. Yuna had to move out of Toronto. Shae-Lynn started participating in BOTB full time for an extended period. Most probably they could not find a suitable time slot again to create the program together for that season.
  21. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I only have two thoughts on this matter:

    1) This better not be a repeat of that arrogant little stunt she pulled the season before last.

    2) I hope this is what she REALLY wants and she's not being pressured into this by her federation. There's a difference between enjoying skating in shows, and skating in competition.
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    Is Shae-Lynn good friends with Brian? Jw if anyone knows!
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    Nobody knows why, but considering YuNa invited Shae-Lynn to her show after one year, there was nothing bad between them.

    What arrogance???
  24. TripleWallie

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    Even if she wanted to, she couldn't do what she did in 2011 and go straight to Worlds because of the new rules. She herself acknowledged that in the conference. She'll skate at nationals, a senior B or 4CC, and then Worlds for this coming season. It's too late to apply (and too early try) for the GP.
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    I welcome it, it's going to really light a much needed fire in the ladies competition. Couple this with a resurgence of European ladies skating, a group of American ladies wanting to get back on top, and an Olympic silver medalist who wants to win this time - and it's an extremely exciting time on the ladies side! :respec: I never gave her due when she competed, but looking back her skating was of absolutely exceptional quality and that is always more than welcome by me. :)
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    I agree she can be quite arrogant at times, but then again, she can afford to be.

    Usually, arrogant people do not get easily pressured into something against their will. ;)
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    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2874609&postcount=114

    or

    As to her SP, on Aug 24, it was first known that Team Yu-Na asked "Shae-Lynn Bourne" to choreograph her SP but nothing was known whether the program was given to her or not. Since after lots of things happened and today ATS said it's not decided yet(14, Sep, 2010). This is not what is dumped or not as below.


  28. gingercrush

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    I wouldn't call it arrogant. I do think experience shows that regardless of how good you are. It is very difficult to get back into competitive condition. You may well still have the technical goods but you need to be in competition shape. Kim wasn't in competition shape in 2011. Not skating competitively for a whole season and coming back for one competition is a huge ask.

    Plushenko had the technical goods in 2008 but he didn't seem to be in competition shape either. Cohen left skating for three seasons and then came back to one competition. She struggled. Same goes for how many Ice Dancers have come back from a period of not skating competitively and aren't the same. You need to do some competition so that your body knows how to react something that you can't do solely in practice.
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    I think she's referring to the fact that Yuna went to the 2011 worlds without participating in a single preparatory competition beforehand in that season. That was a very bad idea, obviously, in retrospect, and I think she now realizes that. Robin Wagner did an interview just before the 2011 worlds in which she talked about the fact that even the most accomplished athletes must participate in several live competitions shortly before going to a major competition like the Worlds or the Olympics. This is especially true if one has been away from competition for a lengthy period of time, and has not been practicing with regularity. Even the most incessant practicing just cannot emulate the real-life stressful and tense atmosphere of competition and being before a crowd and judges. Wagner was 100% correct.

    ITA with misskarne, by the way.
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  30. martyross

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    she did very well at Moscow Worlds, almost won it actually. in no way it was a failure as some want to make it. Miki Ando's score was huge in comparison of the program, but played well with the system plus a little bonus from the judges. that's how figure skating works.
    Yuna gave two beautiful perfomances that her fans love and treasure. that's what counts. haters gonna hate !
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    I can see someone thinking it "arrogant" that she go to worlds in 2011 without any competitions under her belt and the chance to get feed back under judges. I personally don't think it was conscious arrogance, but it certain imo was a big mistake.
    I wonder if this announcement is premature and was made to counter the recent bad publicity.
  32. l'etoile

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    Yuna was pressured into competing in 2011. What arrogance are some people talking about? Like Rumblefish mentioned, an arrogant person is not forced or bent to do things that are being asked.
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  33. RumbleFish

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    I do think the announcement was rather rushed, without having carefully thought out plans for training details such as coaching.

    It could have been something like;
    "I was going to make a comeback anouncement anyway, so let's do it now."

    Making a comeback just for the sake of countering the bad publicity doesn't make sense to me.
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  34. riveredge

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    nah.. the controversy was light compared to the whole Orser-Yuna break up. It wasn't even mentioned in the mainstream media. Plus Yuna is still voted as one of the most effective endorsers in the recent poll in Korea.
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    From YNKF

    Training constantly among the youngsters did get her motivation back no matter how ill-equipped facility Yuna trains in.
  36. alilou

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    It's only misskarne who's talking about arrogance. Well let's just say her posting style is generally......um.......a little arrogant :p
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    That's not so recent.

    I think the poster was referring to the recent kerfluffle about her university degree and how much actual time had been put into it. And that was very public in Korea.

    If you read an opinion you don't agree with, saying that is fine. Insulting the poster isn't necessarily the most effective counter-argument.
  38. PeterG

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    Personally I feel that it would be worse if she pulled an arrogant big stunt. If that happens, I must say that I WILL GO OFF ON HER. There is no place for arrogance in professional sports. :soapbox:
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  39. love_skate2011

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    for real ? :eek:

    now ladies ahs gotten very interesting with may comebacks
    she annunced her comeback early before 2013 so this is a good sign.
    a Good competitive skater comeback is always welcomed :cool:
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    I know what the poster was referring to. Public? Like what I said it wasn't even covered by the mainstream media unlike the Orser-Yuna split when it was all over the biggest networks in Korea.