Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by RunnersHigh, Dec 20, 2010.
I saw Yuna crying last night on NBC.. that broke my heart..
Most don't! From Dick Button to Jamie Sale, they know and have expressed that these results are a farce.
Yuna and Carolina can leave knowing they did themselves and their countries proud. And the only reason for the color of their medals are Russian politics.
I'm sure you and others here won't have any problem when Yuna's country do the same thing to your fave skater in 2018 lol!It won't have anything to do with South Korea's Politics right?lol!
The reason for the podium order is as much about the COP as anything else.
Adelina beyond any doubt won the tech portion and the new system does not place nearly as much weight on artistry as the former system.
I thought Yuna and Carolina were stunning last night but as Elvis mentioned Yuna did not have a tech arsenal that could match Adelina. The difference in their spins was obvious and since Adelina skates fast and has a much superior stretch to Caro and Yuna their PCS advantage was greatly reduced.
As to P/E it is a matter of taste. But Adelina's skating, although not as beautiful as Yuna's or Carolina's clearly ticked off enough COP bullets to keep her in the components mix.
Wtf are you taking about? Regardless of judge fixes, Russia has been producing oly podium caliber skaters in all 4 disciplines since at least 1984. All the judging fixes in the world aren't going to magically produce s. Korean men, ice dancers and pairs that don't even exist. Were there even any s. Korean skaters in Sochi that weren't ladies singles? And speaking of ladies, really... From 16th and 21st to the podium? That's gonna take serious home court advantage. You know, like how shiz won gold in Nagano.
this is the truest/sanest thing Ive read about this event yet. ITA!
Adelina's TES shouldn't be that far ahead. 3Lz-3T should get flutz call and under-rotation. She has almost never fully rotated 3t after 3lz. Her other jumps have never received so many GOEs either. Without the GOE inflation, she shouldn't be ahead Yuna by 5 points in TES.
So you know I am OK with Adelina winning Gold because she is one of my favorites (which should have nothing to do with scoring).
If my old 6.0 eyes were judging last night I don't know if I would have placed Yuna first or Carolina first. But I would have placed Adelina third.
But I am talking about 6.0 scoring.
The COP was shown to be nothing more than a farce - and as Frank Carroll has said - it will be easier to manipulate scores under the IJS than it ever was under 6.0.
I feel bad for Patrick Chan - and wonder if the COP did not hold him up at two consecutive Worlds if he would have come to Sochi much hungrier.
So after awarding him for years for sloppy skates - in Sochi they told him "NO" - you don't win because you made mistakes. Heck, Yuzu also made mistakes.
Thought I would sneak this in since the COP worshippers seem to be on a break at the moment.
I disagree and thought Adelina's jumps were spectacular last night. Her spins were easily the best. I think Adelina won the TES last night.
What country decided to make this sytem better for their skaters to succeed because they couldn't
land quads to save their lives in comps? No wonder chan thought he could win an oly gold medal with falls lo! Isn't that how he won those world titles?
Who are you talking about ? Chan can't land quads ?
I know this sport has subjectivity, but I see almost no reason in people who think Adelina actually deserved gold.
TES higher than Kim and Kostner? She did an easier 3-3 in the short. Made a non-trivial mistake in the long. Her jumps are high but have little flow-out. Her spins aren't that impressive - I don't know why some people think they are. Her camel spin variation where she lifts her leg up without turning her body around is hideous. Her footwork has all the tick boxes covered but is slow and incoherent. GOEs of +2 and +3?? Hello?
Let's not even get started on PCS. I would give Sotnikova lower PCS than Gold, Wagner, Suzuki, and Lipnitskaya but can live if some people think they should be in the same ballpark or a bit higher. But she's getting PCS as high as KIM and KOSTNER. Absolutely nothing justifies that decision.
Yuna used to get top marks for her somewhat unattractive spiral sequence. But she ticked off enough boxes under COP to score as high as Mao and Mirai, two skaters with beautiful spiral positions.
I have no doubt you can find flaws in Adelina's skating just as flaws can be found in Yuna's skating.
But it is about scoring the points. Yuna's sophistication and Caro's elegance did not trump Adelina's youthful energy and enthusiasm under this scoring system.
he was not consistently landing quads till recently.
I'm sure you know that making assumptions makes you look like an @ss!
Seems you may be the one that is selective in your response to corruption. As for myself, wrong is wrong. Period!
I hope so too especially since the Olympics will be in her home country, let the russians have a taste of their own medicine. Yuna will be unbeatable with a home crowd. She and Mao still have so much to give.
Which is laughable. Yet, this is the glorious IJS! The system that was to fix it all.
I think Mao has seen enough of Yuna to last her a lifetime lol!
It's about scoring the points, and Adelina's 'points' don't actually reflect her skating. It's like saying that a clean Suguri or Meissner should rank ahead of a clean Kwan. Says no one ever.
You can't give Yu-na's spiral example and use that to say that they both have flaws, and therefore Adelina's win is justified.
yuna and her silver medal
a graceful adios indeed..
Yuna is a beautiful lady, great champion, and a wonderful human being.
yuna's gala dress..
I loved her yellow dress in the SP. Could be her best ever.
mad respect!!! the queen and pyeongchang!!! during the gala..a little tribute..
i still remember during in zagreb.. there was an outrage in korea about that dress.. heck even the designer's website was shutdown..
and when yuna skated flawlessly at her nationals.. her dress won over and they appreciate it more
so singles skater's threads have no post limit? that it can go beyond 1000 posts?
There's so much more to a spiral than the position. You also have to look at edge control and the pattern they make on the ice. That being said, Yuna's spiral was probably her weakest element. And yes, from what I remember of the 2006 Olympic, Mirai's spiral was beautiful but the pattern she made struck me as rather weak from what I remember. I probably need to watch it again as it's been years since I've seen it.
yuna just gave her scarf to v/t!!!
I got to talk with Yuna during the closing ceremonies yesterday! I think it's interesting that V/T will take pictures with the other athletes but won't give any autographs to their fans...
Gumby..was a super flexible character from a long long time ago. After Mao was out of contention, I wanted Yuna to win..I was disappointed for Yuna. Though I'm glad another 15year old didn't win it this time..
How awful a poster can you be?
1. Shady gave you points-based reasons why the results are not acceptable.
2. You tell him it's "all about scoring points"
3. And then you give explanations that have nothing to do with points
Are you incompetent, or what's the deal here?