Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by RunnersHigh, Dec 20, 2010.
She is absolutely beautiful!!
Yuna is ranked as 7th highest paid female athletes by Forbes. She's the only one from all winter sports and this is her second-in-a-row appearance on the list.
These champions who excel for charity
Yuna's picked 5th biggest charity donor among female athletes in the world by TRACE SPORT (Austrailian channel I think). It says she donated two million dollars over the few years including UNICEF projects.
She's a very gracious young woman! I love that she's so dedicated to helping others and giving back. When you have a good heart like that, good things continue to come back to you.
Fans of Yuna posted an ad, Homage to Yuna, in major 6 news papers in Korea. And I found it in a paper I'm subscribing this morning!
In English, http://cfile238.uf.daum.net/image/19664B4A4E4417C10442A8
the QR code in the ad brought me the Youtube rink of All That Skate Summer 2011 trailer.
The rose of Sharon behind Yuna is the national flower of Korea.
yuna just updated some pics of all the skaters from All That Skate Summer 2011 in her official site!
http://i.imgur.com/EhRsZ.jpg with everyone
http://i.imgur.com/3jNsy.jpg with Jamie, Patrick, and Wilson with his funny face
http://i.imgur.com/kKJiy.jpg with Kiira, Jamie, Patrick and Willson.
Yuna's showing a full-page ad in Korean newspapers dedicated for Yuna from fans.
Yuna's the cover girl!
Here's the cover.
Go get the magazine people!
The Inside Edge: Kim to headline Harvard
Kim to appear at 'An Evening with Champions' at Harvard University
By Sarah S. Brannen and Drew Meekins, special to icenetwork.com.
Cast, Tix and Details at http://www.aneveningwithchampions.org/
I don't have too many kind things to say, so if you are one of her groupies, you might as well not read this post.
In regards to her recent show appearances, she was selling sex in her first number, and pleading for nationalism to make money in the second one. She really didn't look comfortable in either role, looking more like a nervous Maria Butylskaya on her off day than a reigning Olympic champion. It was as if she were saying “oh shit, save me god from fecking up to no end.”
I am wiling to give her some slack regarding lousy performances, since she has been pretty busy with her off-ice activities and had very little time to prepare. However, I can’t help but to criticize nature of her routines. I don’t know if it was her own will or persuasion of her corporate sponsor, who by the way, is the worst offender of using sex and pleading to nationalism in order to shove their clumsy i-Phone me-too products down Korean peoples throats.
SBS, the TV station that airs a cheesy Skating With Stars me-too show featuring her, could have played a role as well. End of Yuna's show was lowlighted by winners of the TV show making a special appearance. I only saw it on TV, but watching them crawling over the ice just trying to stay on their feet was unbearable. As they were trying their luck on dance lifts, I was left cringing in fear of a nasty fall and ensuing horrible injuries.
I wonder if any of Yuna's groupies watching at the arena felt this way too, but I doubt many of them did, as these people are willing to worship her no matter what. I have been to one of her shows in Korea before, but never pushed my luck again after getting left feeling alienated by cult-like madness of the crowd.
Yuna has attributed objective of her TV appearances and shows to enhancing public interest towards figure skating in her home country, and raising awareness for the need to build practice facilities for junior skaters. However, I just don't see how this could materialize under current circumstances. For sake of figure skating itself, wouldn't it be better to show heart-felt performances like Michelle Kwan did for so many years? All she is doing is helping her corporate sponsor and TV-stations while making quick money for herself. She is talking one thing and doing another, regardless she is conscience of it or not.
IMO, Yuna Kim is on a crossroad where she has to make a choice in regards to future of her skating career.
Once thing she could do is to make another run at the Olympics. But observing her recent series of activities, I don't think she will choose this path, and I seriously doubt her chances to win in Sochi if she keeps her current pace.
Another option would be to retire from eligible competition and become a full time show skater. If this direction were to be taken, she should seriously look at direction her skating is taking. Unlike groupies who jam pack her current shows in order to celebrate their Queen winning medals, genuine skating fans will be looking for quality and memorable performances.
Despite her clusterfeck like recent showings, I still have lots of affection for Yuna Kim's skating. I hope she takes time in thinking about her future and make the right decisions that will open a path to a long lasting career filled with satisfying performances.
I am glad that Yuna Kim has decided to skate at An Evening with Champions. It will be an excellent opportunity for her to ponder direction of her career. She will be free from overzealous crowd and will be able to perform something that she feels comfortable with. In addition, I hope interacting with Protopopovs, who IMO, has demonstrated more than anyone else for such a long period of time their genuine love of performing, will provide beneficial influence to her thought process.
Well read. Of course I can NEVER AGREE with your "opinion" but, the last sentence, that really got me. EWC show could be, and I hope, would be the base of Yuna's new-found motivation for her future.
Btw if you really think those things about Yuna, I suggest you should go argue with David Wilson rather than attacking and doubting Yuna's dedication to skating and the truthfulness she bears when she's skating since her IMO fantastically-never-been-less-than-expectation performances were brought up and created by him lol (sorry David I think you're genius)
I'm just gonna leave a picture of her for you.
I don't post here to persuade anyone. So you are perfectly free to agree or disagree.
I'm sorry but I find your argument of holding Wilson solely responsible a total bullocks.
Wilson might be a pal of Yuna, but professionally, is a mere vendor at the end of the day. Are you suggesting that a vendor totally dictates directions of a product that a buyer purchases? Would you say "oh well." and shrug it off if your newly purchased car breaks down and Hyundai or Toyota blames a part maker?
BTW, please don't accuse me of attacking someone for no reason. I have better things to do with my life.
oopsy I was just joking with Wilson's play here Don't take it seriously
(no offense but I'm starting to like you )
Interesting post... well stated, but your statement indicate your own 'idealised projection' on what you think she ought to be, vs the turbulent highly pressured demands (commercial, national, philanthropic) of a young and still maturing young athlete / public figure - who had became wildly successful in a short space of time and still find her ways with the world. Who (likely you said) are caught at cross roads (of contradictions) since the Olympics that happened only 1 year ago.
To sell figure skating, she need to be wildly popular.
To continue help figure skating with greater effectiveness she need to push for better facilities, environment, create a skating culture back home. To create something from almost nothing - it takes extreme measures.
While some of these measures and effects might not appeal to you personally, yet it resulted Korea being one of the great commercial havens for world class skaters to thrive in should count for something.
To lobby legitimate causes so the Government would support and listen, it involves her taking on greater national and public roles on behalf of Korea. Nothing is given, she has to work at it. And all these are heavy burdens that has nothing to with her own skating, but in fact has everything to do with 'skating'.
Besides, since when are sport and nationalism entirely separate? Just as Sports and Commercialism? The name of the program is 'Homage to Korea', how can nationalism not played a big part? It is the core of her identity and her motivation. Perhaps your problem is with the program themselves (particularly the exhibitions programs) after an amazing Olympic year? This also happened to be an Olympic Bid year where nationalism is very much on the front center of her press activities.
The only way to achieve the above is to be commercially viable and nationally centred. To have the power, influence and impact to further skating at home, her career had moved into a direction that no skaters in the past or present should really have to deal with (Although example can be given by skating historians, but no 2 circumstances are exactly the same). The real world of complexity and multifaceted requirements has always breed its very best talents into something else and Yuna is no different.
You being the one of the top 5 head honcho FSU groupies (Come on... don't deny it the words are in B&W )... are being a tad unfair to make a judgmental swipe upon the few snap shots of what you might personally disagree without recognising the sum of all its parts.
But hey, I guess that's what these skating boards are for - to vent, to voice out skepticisms, concerns, to undermine and to make propaganda for satisfy some sense of 'truth' and 'justice' or even to subvert them to appear 'legit' . But like anything in sport, what should, could , would actually counts for very little compared to what did happen, has happened and continues to happen.
As for her 'direction of skating', which I would call her 'art'. Art is not stationary, it is evolutionary. And anything evolutionary will inevitably including failing. Those who don't brave failing, doesn't deserve to be called champions or artists. Part of these processes is also about recognizing and exploring the changes within, such as young woman's brimming sensuality and sexuality. We live in the 21st century, and these should not be a taboo subject, or even ugly subjects. Besides, there's a fine line between performing something sexy, being sexy and sell sex. The latter is crass as your opinion is, Yuna 's Fever was not.
One thing I do agree with you is her taking part in something more intimate and comfortable (and less high profiled), would give her the opportunity to regather her thoughts, recuperate (how possible she is not tired?), and hopefully rediscover her purpose to skate, including most of all - the joy and the fineness of her 'craft. Like you said, interacting with past legends would all help to nourish these thought processes
Of course I have opinions about what an ideal skating should be. Otherwise, I wouldn't be watching skating or waste my time posting my criticisms. Also, please don't remind me of how young she is and still maturing. I'm fully aware.
So everyone should shut up and praise Yuna in order to save the skating world?
As I have stated in my original post, it is my firm belief that heartfelt programs well presented to audience enhances popularity of skating and inspire kids to take up the sport. Actually, Yuna has done exactly this for a last few years with her competitive skating, resulting in massive public interest and something like 5 fold increase in number of entry level skaters.
I believe well thought out show skating could contribute to this phenomenon also. But the problem is that, at least in my opinion, Yuna's recent show was far from this.
I don't have problems with people feeling pride about their homeland, and Yuna's Arirang is actually my favorite program of hers. It is a beautiful program, and I really felt that she should use it as her Olympic season program.
My main problem with Arirang was that during the course of turning it into a show program, the music cut became choppy, and overall impression of the program became contrived. It's such a shame that this program became ruined.
In addition, I must say that in general, I don't take kindly to people who push nationalism to achieve political or financial agenda. History has shown time and time again that such acts usually end in totalitarianisms, wars, and oppressions. Now, I'm not saying Yuna is pursuing such things, but I do question motivations of her corporate sponsors and TV stations wanting to make a quick buck exploiting their professional relationship with her. It could be me, but I really didn't feel that Yuna was skating comfortably during the performance. Whether she felt the same way as I did, I would never know.
This takes me back to one of your statements. You said;
To become richer, they need to wildly sell her packaged in tacky programs and lame nationalism.
To respond to this, I'll have to define what a groupie is. A groupie, IMO, is someone who admires an idol, in this case Yuna Kim, so much that they emotionally connect themselves with every aspect of her.
In this sense, I'm not a groupie since I rarely connect with Yuna Kim the person unless she performs good enough to really draw me in. Let me make myself clear. Although I'm a huge fan of her skating and want her to do well, but I don't find myself spiritually connected with Yuna the individual. That is why I can take the liberty to criticize her for disappointing showings.
Fever has to be one of the tackiest programs I have ever seen. There are plenty of skaters who were sensual without slightest bit of tackiness. IMO, Lu Chen and Maria Butylskaya were such skaters. Sensuality of a mature women inspire young girls to wanting to become like them, but trying to be sexy turning to tackiness make people cringe and parents not wanting their kids to watch skating anymore. Where does Yuna's Fever belong? You be the judge.
I'm glad that you agree, at the end of the day, that she needs to regather her thoughts and rediscover her purpose.
shouldn't rumblefish's post be in the All That Skate thread?
and why aren't we ignoring the troll. it's one thing to dislike a person, or their actions, but criticizing everything she does seems like there's an ulterior motive...
Lu Chen's "Black Magic" number by Sandra Bezic was heavily criticized on FSU; It was an attempt by Sandra to show a more sensual and adult side of LuLu. (I just thought the music and number was boring.)
I don't know if I would say that Fever is tacky, but I didn't really like it though. In a way I think David Wilson has been trying to get Yuna to do these type of programs all along. Look at some of the posings she did in her James Bond SP.
i totally agree about what you said, it's just has become to much about posing in front of the camera and making her performance look sexy especially in her new exhibition programs...
I love Yuna's fever exhibition! James Bond SP Rocks! one of my favorite Short programs from ladies in Olympic season.
Criticisze Kim = troll
What a logic.
You see what I mean by cult-like madness?
It's sad for me that I have to agree with you, but it's true.
I think Yu-Na is an exceptionally beautiful and attractive woman so I see why they would try to play that to an audience. Her Bond program cashed in on that to a certain extent, but unlike these exhibition numbers, that program had a bit of sex appeal in addition to a lot substance (ie. hard jumps, great choreography, etc.). Bond didn't rely on Yu-Na being hot to sell the program.
I'm not much a fan of Yu-Na's exhibitions (she's a far more entertaining and electrifying competitive skater IMO) but Fever is probably my least favorite. I do think Wilson tried to play to Yu-Na's sex appeal by constructing this program for her and it's okay to step out of the box and try something new...but that doesn't mean everyone's going to like it. There's no heart in the program at all IMO. There isn't really any "skating" in it per se either; it's mostly sexy posing. It was something I watched once and didn't have the desire to watch again.
I thought her Homage to Korea exhibition was lovely, particularly b/c of the meaning behind it. I understand they had to chop some of the music to shorten it, but I think it achieved the desired effect. Those are the kind of exhibitions I like...ones that create moments. I'm not a fan of the exhibitions that look like they were thrown together in ten minutes and then set to a pop song. I like the ones that look like they took some time; the ones with a feeling, a message, a moment. I think her Meditation program was lovely as well. Again, it never really pulled me in but there was something about the sincerity of it that made it beautiful.
First of all, I agree with almost everything in the second part of your post, but I disagree significantly with the first part (the ......). I don't think that Yuna's EX's are about selling sex or nationalism. FEVER is provocative but in an innocent way, it allows Yuna to show how a beautiful girl can cast a spell. HOMAGE is a serious attempt at doing a ballet to a beautiful piece of music, her beautiful performance in the first ATS Summer show was spellbinding (the only performance of this EX in the 3 ATS shows that was clean). You may think her TV show K&C was cheesy, but it really was entertaining and the celebrities really took the competition seriously and grew tremendously as skaters over the course of the show. Having the winning couple perform on ATS was appropriate, they earned it and their amateur performance helped popularize skating more than any professional performance could possibly do.
As for the second part of your post, it was excellent. I'm a big fan of Yuna, but she is not the same skater now that she was prior to and including the Olympics. Her life since the Olympics has been a roller coaster ride and her on-ice performances have suffered. I've posted some of my concerns on Yuna fan sites only to be blasted by some over zealous fans, but that is to be expected.
Personally, I hope to see Yuna return to competitive skating with full focus and commitment. If, on the other hand, she decides to retire and pursue other interests I'll root for her to succeed there too. I think she is a special young lady and can make significant contributions to whatever endeavor(s) she sets her mind to doing.
Yuna's entrusted with duty of a new global ambassador for Pyeongchang Special Olympics 2013!
- I'm dying to see this vid!!
Special Olympics' Twitter http://twitter.com/#!/SpecialOlympics
Tweet from Senior communications manager for Special Olympics, Kristin Hughes http://twitter.com/#!/hughes_kristin
Michael Phelps tweeted, too http://twitter.com/#!/MichaelPhelps
Wow. He calls Yuna as Kim Yuna, not Yuna Kim
I looked up some pics!
http://i.imgur.com/2cb1Q.jpg She has so beautiful smile
http://i.imgur.com/Z9AMY.jpg From the far left, the Chief Strategic Properties, a skater who'll be competing at PC Special Olympics, a chairwoman of Special Olympics World Winter Games PyeongChang 2013. The dolls are the mascots for the olympics.
Oh, come on. That wasn't skating. Why the hell is the ice there for. She could have basically performed the same shit wearing high heels or sneakers.
BTW, I can go to a night club and make a girl do the same routine much better by shoving a 100 dollar bill into her chest.
I'm sorry to be so harsh, but I don't think I can get my message across some of you unless I do.
Then the two-thirds of the crowd should have asked for a refund.
I liked Arirang as an competitive program, but a choppy music cut, her flat performance, and overall cheesiness of the show left me with impression of pleading to nationalism. You are free to feel otherwise though.
I only watched a half of an episode and gave up. People have different tastes, so I don't mind other people watching it.
As for the winning couple performing at the show, I was down right scared to see them doing dangerous stuff like lifts, and was left wondering whether they were properly insured against unfortunate accidents. I'm astonished that more people don't feel the same way.
For me, whether she was really selling sex, pleading to nationalism, apprearing in a cheesy show or not is issues of secondary nature. The primary issue is that, at least in my eyes, she doesn't look comfortable in roles she was put in.
I don't know whether this is really the case. But if it is, it would be smart for her side to evaluate who is behind such decisions and clear whatever problems there may be.
l'etoile.. thanks for the pics and tweets.. she looks wonderful in the pics. she's all grown up now! I remember this girl who has braces and shy and looked awkward 4 years ago.
wow, ignoring feature does a wonderful work for me I recommend you guys do that, too.