Yu Na Kim is great skater but not even in same league as much greater Michelle Kwan

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  1. RumbleFish

    RumbleFish New Member

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    :lol: at this one trying to drag in Karen, as If Michelle isn't enough.

    Having :rofl:ed, what are your definitions of looking natural in sprials and spins? If you are talking about the free leg, first one you should criticize is Davis & White, who has to have the worst positions in history and still won the gold in ice dancing which is a discipline where free legs actually matters.

    Please stop watching videos of Dick Button commentary of the past and face the reality. Free leg positions in ladies single skating just doesn't matter that much. I can't remember a single lady who won in Olys or Worlds past couple of decades who cared much about toe-point.
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  2. IceJunkie

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    Which is incredibly unfortunate.

    Yu-na is a brilliant skater, and I've always felt it was a shame that her arabesque positions weren't as top-notch as they could be. She has improved a lot in that department, though, especially since 2007 or 2008.
  3. judgejudy27

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    Dick Button is figure skating. Probably the greatest skater ever considering how advanced he was for his time, the most influential commentator ever, the man who basically made pro skating, a successful law school graduate, a very successful actor, talk about someone who has owned it from every avenue. Whatever he says probably has some merit, even if you disagree with it. He is genius.
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    Dick Button was an actor? :eek: What on earth was he in? Did he do porn or something? I've never heard of him acting. Are you sure you're not confusing him with Richard Burton? Their names are awfully similar.
  5. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    This is from encyclopedia:

  6. RumbleFish

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    Actually, I prefer to see better toe-points and free leg position from skaters as well. But the fact is that judging system does not encourage it and hence lack of such should not be used to denouce certain skaters who are doing their best to win competitions within the system.

    Like you said, Yuna Kim has been improving her extensions since she debuted in senior competitions. Progress may have been gradual, but it makes sense since there is no point in sacrificing other aspects of her skating for something that does not get rewarded enough.
  7. RumbleFish

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    No where did I say Dick Button wasn't prominent. ;) I'm saying that he had an uncanny preference for flexibility vis-a-vie other commentators and the international judging panel.

    I also want to add that even with his strong preferences, he didn't go out of his way regarding outcomes of competitions or evaluating a skater's career. Button praised Lu Chen's 1996 Worlds FD as "one of the best performances he had ever seen" despite Chen's lack of toe-point. Likewise, Button never said Sasha Cohen deserved to win notwithstanding her falls and two-footed landings.

    I wish the same could be said about some posters here who cling on desperately to toe-point in order to denounce a certain skater.
  8. riveredge

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    And miki88 is here like in every Yuna thread and every skating forum!!!!!!!! Obsessed much?!? :lol: What a big surprise! :rofl:

    I'm :eek: at this thread is still alive. :lol:
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    Oh how little you know.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=eDLVM-Hjzwc
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    I want to point out that 4 of Kwan's 5 wins were in North America. She certainly had big advantage in that era of high politics. If she had competed with Lu Chen in China back in 1996, could she have won? Actualy, Kwan won 1/7 outside NA.
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  11. riveredge

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    I think every skater has her own weakness and strength..Yuna is not the only one. :rolleyes: Yuna won 1 world title but she still has 5 World straight medals and never missed a podium in her entire career. It's not that bad. :p She's not retired yet. Can we just wait and see?
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    And your authority to say he "is figure skating" comes from ....... [insert qualification].
  13. judgejudy27

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    For someone who complains about my posts and threads on a daily basis it is sure strange you follow me around into every thread and have replied to my last 10 or so posts in the last couple days when I have ignored you for a good while now. It is like you wear a beeper to let you know whenever I post and you immediately follow everytime. I generally dont go into threads that dont interest me, let alone keep pursuing posters that bother me so much, but I have become your new obsession apparently. Stalker much.
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    Madison Ave, New York circa 1962 ... However, Uncle Dick did do a lot for the sport on and off the ice.

    ... Of course Uncle Dick was only brought up because some posters have no clue about skating history, and think his rants lack basis although he knew the likes of Sonia Henie, Ulrich Salchow, Cecilia Colledge ... personally.
  16. floskate

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    Stalking, trashing, hysteria, bow legs, maths, toe point....this thread really does have it all. :rolleyes:

    While it's been such fun to read :yawn: I think it's time to put this little hot potato to bed before I waste any more of my life reading such crap. Any personal gripes you have can be taken to PM. :p
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