at this one trying to drag in Karen, as If Michelle isn't enough. Having ed, what are your definitions of looking natural in sprials and spins? If you are talking about the free leg, first one you should criticize is Davis & White, who has to have the worst positions in history and still won the gold in ice dancing which is a discipline where free legs actually matters. Please stop watching videos of Dick Button commentary of the past and face the reality. Free leg positions in ladies single skating just doesn't matter that much. I can't remember a single lady who won in Olys or Worlds past couple of decades who cared much about toe-point.