Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Simba, Jun 8, 2012.
Yu-na hits Yonsei teacher with libel suit
Drama just doesn't end around her. What a celebrity she is.
That's a waste of legal fees, time and energy. ATS is a young company and I'm sure they're very interested in protecting Yu-Na's image, but they really need to learn how to pick their battles. I agree with this comment:
It's true. Celebrities are public figures which makes them targets and sometimes, people are going to say things that aren't necessarily nice or 100% true. But you can't sue or threaten to sue every time someone says something you don't like. Sometimes you have to learn to ignore things, especially things that are most likely true. Yu-Na is a celebrity and a busy one at that. She undoubtedly receives a certain amount of special concessions from her school because of who she is and what she does. Given her busy schedule, I highly doubt that she's been present for every single class and assignment like normal students, so that comment holds some truth. It isn't libel if it's true.
Grabbing the pitchforks and torches isn't the way to handle this. ATS should have simply released a statement saying that Yu-Na does have obligations that prevent her from attending school daily like most students but that she is committed to completing the curriculum and earning her degree. End of story. Nothing else needs to be said. Yu-Na is a wholesome public figure who people adore which means no one is going to doubt her. Had they handled the negative comment with class, it would have made ATS and Yu-Na look like the bigger people; however, suing people and demanding apologies makes them look overly sensitive and very childish.
ATS just doesn't seem to have good PR people when it comes to negative things regarding Yu-Na. They always go on the offensive rather than take the high road...it makes them look really petty and that reflects badly on Yu-Na.
This isn't the first time she's been criticized regarding her academics, is it?
If someone goes on TV and says things about her that are untrue, why shouldn't she sue him? Unlike the professor, she probably is not worried about wasted money, she can afford it, so why not fight back? Maybe the professor is going to be careful who they are slagging off on the TV.
Or maybe the professor who made the comments has expertise in the area of educating teachers and has the same complaints that many US academics have about how athletes aren't expected to perform the same way as the average student.
An acquaintance of mine taught a skater who has been lauded for academic and professional achievements and wasn't that impressed. It wasn't that the skater was worse than the average freshman, but the skater's performance in class conflicted with press reports about the skater's academic prowess.
It just doesn't look good. Even if what he said was 100% untrue, you don't have to attack everyone who attacks you. Her management company could have just as easily ignored the comment. It's from one sad professor who's probably jealous of her success and hates the fact that when she's a teacher, people will actually want to come to her class.
Instead, ATS decided to stoop to that teacher's level by responding with an overreaction that makes it a bigger deal than it really is. Yu-Na is better than that and her management should trust that and not rise to petty comments.
I don't think he's jealous. He's a professor at Yonsei University, one of the best research universities in South Korea.
I think she decided that she's had it enough. There have been absurd criticizms besides this questioning Yuna's sincerity to her education. Maybe this suit could be a gateway to clearly see how she's done her job. If they,ATS, didn't have the gut to face the truth, I don't think there would have been a lawsuit at all.
Intersting that this is the first post of the thread starter, simba. Well this kind of thing has been known to be apt as Yuna bashers lol.
Generally speaking I think that there is a lot true in professors words regarding the athlete education, LOL. Besides, I´d suppose that the professor can easily prove Yu-Na´s absence from lessons as there surely are records.
I am losing respect for Yu na if she cannot handle criticism. It may or may not be valid in her view point, but it's someone else's opinion. It's not like he told false stories about her sex life or accused her of a theft. Everyone gets criticized- those in the public eye get more exposure to that- but to bring a libel suit against the professor is just ridiculous. At the end of the article it says she will withdraw the suit if he apologizes.
What is she doing? That OGM has gone so much to her head that she cannot even be criticized for something that she is doing in a certain way? She does not have to agree with him, but a lawsuit? Come on.......I thought she had more maturity than that.
You should understand there was severe scrutiny on her after th professor's comments got aired and it was just crazy. Simply because it was YNK. Then it was revealed that he was basing his arguments on rumors without even fact checking. When interviewd by a reporter who suggested the counter facts against his opinion, his first and only reaction was "oh, was that so? I didn't know that."
Classy or not, right move or not, considering unbelievably huge bashing she unfairly received, it's understandable that she or her management had the urge to correct something.
What if she was proud how well she is doing and how hard she is trying, and then someone who doesn't even know her comes and just start slagging her off? Why should she let other people walk over her just so that she looks classy? I prefer assertive approach. If the professor is sure about his facts, he won't loose the lawsuit. If he isn't sure about the facts and just slagged her off, serves him right.
How can the professor prove this? Is he actually her professor. If he's not her professor how can he know how much she does or doesn't spend in college. how would you feel if someone felt they had to freedom to call you lazy or whatever based on rumor and not on any first hand knowledge about your actual study habits. He doesn't even teach at her university.
Not to mention didn't she say that she'd drop the suit if he apologizes.
And second he's saying Kim lacks the qualifications for a teaching practice. Seems to me that Kim is studying is focused on eventually becoming a coach. One could argue that in that particular service her experience with skating makes her more than qualified. (Along with what ever other classes she's taking). She's not trying to become a lawyer after all.
Someone with as much success as Yu-Na shouldn't care if a teacher, who she doesn't even take class from, says she's slagging off. Who gives a crap? I honestly can't even see a judge taking this lawsuit seriously if it actually went to court. It's like a 2nd grader suing their classmate b/c they called them a poo-poo head...and agreeing not to sue if they stand on the monkey bars at the playground and apologize.
Like I said, I think Yu-Na is above this and I seriously doubt it was her choice to retaliate to this professor's comments by suing him. More than likely this is her management's doing. It's situations like this and the whole Orser-split thing that really make me question the professionalism and experience of ATS and their staff. Rather than calm and strategic PR specialists, they seem like impulsive over-protective petty amateurs with the way they handle these kinds of situations.
Apparently though the media took it seriously and it became a HUGE uproar that the professor said this. When they asked the professor some serious question, he said I don't know. I guess it depends. I do agree that sometimes its best not to be petty. I actually DO think the professor is unfair to make a public example of someone like that. And I also think once again, she IS asking only to teach a subject that she's frankly more than quailfied to teach-skating. She's not trying to be a lawyer or a doctor.
This is the main reason they should have just let it go. OR if they felt the need to respond, they should have released a statement from Yu-Na debunking the professor's claim.
In instances of PR, cooler heads must prevail. "I'm gonna sue you!" is the knee-jerk reaction. The smarter thing would have been to stop and say, "Now how can we use this rumor/accusation to our advantage and make Yu-Na look even better all while making this professor look like an ass?"
They could have used it as an opportunity for Yu-Na to talk about the compromises she's forced to make while fulfilling her obligations and pursuing a degree. Or an opportunity for her to talk about how important it is to her to earn a degree even though she's already successful. There are a dozen ways they could have spun this story to turn it into "Yu-Na Kim, a young beautiful woman with tons of money and success is still determined to get her education no matter what her detractors think." The media would then take this angle and run with it...
ATS's people need to head back to PR school...their "react now, think later" approach is all wrong and does way more damage than good.
Well this is true. I think maybe it is to because its mama handling this and not professionals...But then again this IS a different culture and I know very little about what is done in Korea.
I'd really be mad if a professor was talking about me but at the same time it isn't fair if Yuna doesn't have to show up as often as the other students (if that's even the case).
Apparently its a thing in Korea for athletes. But I actually think there's a strong argument that if an athlete is looking to coach her actual sport that its fine to use the normal time doing that sport is part of the credit. Lots of different college programs have similar "life experience" credit. Its hard to know.
Ah. So Korean Universities are a lot like American ones.
A important fact that some are missing:
It was not her professor who made the remark. It was some random professor from ANOTHER university.
With that said, I don't think it's right for an educator to criticize someone he doesn't know personally even if he was trying to make a point for the bigger picture. Given the brouhaha that was caused by his comments, it would be the right thing to apologize and retract the personal comments; something along the lines of:
"I never meant to attack you personally, what I said about education in our country and sport athletes still applies but I shouldn't have made an example out of you since I don't even know you personally"
There, was that so hard?
I feel so sad for her and her poor, pitiful life. She is old enough to grow up and address the situation with the professor instead of a law suit. She will probably win because she is soooooo important. And I use to really like her and her skating. I might still like her skating, I just haven't seen it in awhile.
Exactly. However, if her staff is giving her the advice, she needs to use some intelligence and not just follow the advice. This libel suit sounds silly. A time in a court needs to be used for the society, and not to raise the ego of a celebrity.
spewing venom all over a screen won't make you become more successful and beloved than she is.
You must not be in academia
I think she's really just seeking an apology and/or setting an example so others wont criticize her education so freely.
I doubt this will go very far.
Who says it's her ego? And do we actually know if she (her lawyer/agency) contacted the professor and tried to get him to retract?
Either way, I think it's easy for us to judge because we're not in her position but a law suit might be her only way to fight back and be heard. Maybe it's a matter of principle. Celine Dion sued a French newspaper while she was pregnant pretty much for the same thing; I can't remember what it was exactly but something entirely false was reported. She sued for 100,000 dollar sum which surely was simply done because she wanted to make a statement. I even doubt she kept the money.
Yu-Na seems to enjoy quite a status in her home country and I would think there comes a point when enough is just enough and she or anyone else of her status needs to put a halt to things before they get too far and out of control. And just because she enjoys the status doesn't mean she needs to put up with everything thrown at her. I doubt if she wasn't who she was the professor should have mentioned her name - which is the advantage we "normal" people have and why we don't need to file that kind of law suits.
I didn't see 'venom' in the post you are referring to. All I saw was a different perspective.
Can we please talk about the elephant in the room?! Why is rich, insanely famous, and very successful singer/skater/spokesmodel Kim taking classes to become a gym teacher? What next, nancy kerrigan working toward a manager's position at McDonald's? Or is kim skipping sochi in order to teach 7 year olds how to shoot the duck? And where exactly does one find these "public teaching trials" where apparently complete strangers can watch private students doing their coursework? I wanna know. I have a feeling Paula Abdul trying to teach a class is pretty funny.
That "public teaching trials" AFAIK was just one session which took about less than half an hour to avoid further interruption of her four-week teaching practicum.
She's majoring in sports education which was her only option when admitted to the university. And at fourth-year circuit, every student in this major is required to take a practicum as one of curricula no matter the circumstances. It's just a must. Boy, things I've learned about Korean education because of this fiasco
Yes, her pitiful life is building a whole new school for kids in Africa, serving her wonderfully as one of Goodwill ambassadors for UNICEF, and will be continuing to help and take care of people in need.
Poor old man should have known better before criticizing her majesty.
She will sue him to the last peny he has, and have her worshippers jump all over the pour soul.
I dare all of you to criticize me, she says.
Right or wrong??? We don't know all the facts except what is printed in the newspaper.
Let 'justice takes its course'. Now it is up to the court to decide whether the professor did defame Yuna or it was just an over-reaction on Yuna's part.
Yeah, she can really take someone out if he/she's in her way.
So this is the attitude that her and her worshippers are taking?
How gracious and classy.
I agree with you, I'm on Yuna's side on this one (and I hate frivolous lawsuits).
It's one thing that celebrities have to tolerate a higher level of criticism, but even for celebrities there's a line somewhere, and the line is that even they don't have to tolerate false information being spread about them (or criticism based on false facts).
It's just very irresponsible to incite a lot of harsh criticism against someone without even knowing if the claims are true or not, and it's easy for us from over here to say that she should just get over it, but we're not in Yuna's shoes...
(Also, I guess most of us here are not from South Korea, maybe in the US/Europe something like this would be an insignificant issue, but maybe in South Korea it is seen differently? I'd agree that for example in the US a counter press release would be more appropriate, but the most appropriate response in a US context may not be the most appropriate response in South Korea. Not that I claim to have any knowledge of South Korean culture, my point is just that things may work differently there.)
The media has SO much power to make or break someone, people really should be more aware and careful about how they use this power. I'm all for setting an example that criticising someone and potentially creating a lot of negativity around them without having a clue whether the criticism has any factual basis is irresponsible. If the man had no actual knowledge about Yuna, he shouldn't have used her as an example or at least he should have made it clear that he's just speculating and not speak as if he knew things for a fact.
If the things he said were not true, Yuna doesn't have to tolerate that at all IMO, and it's not like she's asking for the guy's head, she just wants an apology.
It wasn't even a criticism...
the problem is that the professor claimed as if it was the truth, however it became apparent that his basis came from false rumors. ATS eventually just asked for an apology but then he didn't. It's like I claimed Ms. A had a sex video because i overheard it somewhere but then it was not true after all.... but the damage has been done all over the media. So, Ms. A just wanted an apology from me but I refused.
There's a big difference between an opinion via criticism which is fine, from a claimed based on false rumors via an opinion which is wrong.
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