Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Vash01, Oct 15, 2011.
Jill should get points for being the first to use the music. Was this Dean's influence?
I think Engy and Toth were the first, since they used it for the 1991/1992 season, and Jill Trenary used it after she turned professional in 1992.
Surya Bonaly used it in 1990, in a medley with a bunch of other pieces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MWZYAH-nNs
Who choreographed this? I think it's one of my favourite dance programs of all time...
Exactly. No other skater to date was able to match this "I am woman, hear me roar" power that MK exhibited in that program. Truly, a woman among girls. I liked how she stayed in character well through the final pose and then let go of the fierce persona and broke into a smile. Just awesome.
That's actually an excellent question G&P debuted TFB at Euros after moving to Tarasova, but Linichuk claimed that she had done the choreography before they left. IIRC Grishuk was saying that Linichuk & Karponosov were favoring K&O and that G&P had really done most of the choreography themselves. There was a lawsuit involved at some point because of that plus coaching fees that G&P owed L&K. I don't know if/how it was ever resolved.
Surya gave so much to figure skating !
I heard the same about G&P choreographing this themselves.
thanks! Just to check out, did Linichuk & Karponosov choreographed any other masterpiece? Maybe they put the idea of the program, but I don't ever recall a good program of theirs.
I think I'll trust even knowing the dramaqueen she was!
Considering that this is a short program skated at US Nationals, it is really good, in my opinion:
It is very different to skate to this music in a show or pro competition.
Gritschuk & Platov's skated to its maximum was far superior to Michelle Kwan's IMO. Michelle's was also very good, but G&P left me more feeling of owning that music totally. Michelle wins every poll she is on here though. I never saw Baiul's, Navka & Kostomarov's was just good, and the other two were mediocre at best.
Michelle's was the best. She captured that power and fire perfectly and the footwork section was wonderful. I still get really pissed when I think about how the judges shafted her at 2004 worlds with that program...those scores were ridiculous, time violation or not.
I'd put Baiul a close 2nd. Her exhibition program, especially the first couple of times she performed it was awesome! I loved the costume and the beginning part when she was down on the ice and the ending...she was a fabulous exhibition skater.
Yesterday I rewatched The Last Temptation of Christ -where this soundtrack originally comes from. Just amazing movie with amazing Willem Dafoe.
Back to the topic - G/P are the best.
I also like N/K - though its somehow a copy of G/P it was a solid program, and they both looked beautiful.
bronze - Trenary, just cause I like her and she's not getting any love in the poll
silver - G/P, probably their best ever FD, esp the Eruopeans performance (maybe their best ever performance of their best ever program)
gold - The Kwanster, among other things her performance at 2002 SA showed she wasn't nearly as washed up as many had thought/feared/hoped. Also it marked her ful evolution into mature power skater phase (following her exquisite artiste and jumping bean phases).
Yeah, TFB doesn't seem like Linichuk's style at all. Denkova & Staviyski had Adagio and the 7 Deadly Sins with Linichuk, which I consider masterpieces, but I don't know if she choreographed them or hired someone.
I have to agree with those that say N&K's TFB was very good, but not quite a classic. I found it very kama sutra-esque with a lot of bendy lifts and good chemistry between the two, but didn't care for the posing.
Thanks, cherub and brian c. - this board is full of people who really know their stuff!!
I totally agree. G&P really captured the feeling of the music and gave it character. If you turned the music down you would definately get a feeling for the flavour and characters they were trying to create. Kwan just skated through it. It was powerful skating but she really didn't do anything special with the music. If you turned the music off you wouldn't know what she was skating to. It could have been anything.
Lysacek and Meissner aqlso did a TFB. Both have effective choreography but neither is one I'd watch zillion times over (unlike Kurt's or G&P's)
None. Lordie, I detest that creepy "music." The Feeling must END, not Begin! Listening to that is my equivalent of being waterboarded.
And I might get for that but I find the choreo of G&P's program more ludicrous than intricate, especially that bit
Not fond of those costumes either
G&P far and away my favourite performance of the piece and then Oksana Baiul is a close 2nd.
Here is my fave Feeling Begins
And here is Oksana revisiting TFB
Gritschuk & Platov's was far superior to Michelle Kwan's IMO. It isnt even close to my favorite program from Kwan either, or even close to my favorite short program of hers. Michelle's was still very good and a strong but distant 2nd. The rest I dont even remember so are probably blah and forgettable. Anything Baiul or Trenary did as a pro were blah and forgettable for that matter other than Trenary's nice performances at Ice Wars one year.
Wheeee, if I had those pants I would totally wear them grocery shopping and around the house.
Is that a portrait of Oksana in the background? Really cool.