X Factor UK 2011

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by allezfred, Aug 20, 2011.

  1. floskate

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    Ugh do we have to? The fact that she can't sing very well is exactly why no one in the West End should touch her with a barge pole. The chances of her making it through 8 shows a week with her voice intact are pretty much zero. Besides we have waaaaaay better singers in the business.
     
  2. antmanb

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    I read Ziggy's post as saying she'd be lucky to get West End work, but her lack of vocal talent might not hinder her in the pop world (correct me if I'm wrong Ziggy). I think lack of vocal talent is a complete bar to any work in the West End....in the pop industry it seems looks and personality are the top requirement with vocal talent an after thought.

    Also have to give props to Kelly who appeared to do her whole performance live with minimal back track to sing over...maybe she was genuinely ill and wanted to wait for now to perform, since her performance on Graham Norton was just awful!
     
  3. floskate

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    He also said 'I don't think she can hope for much more' implying that it could be a possiblity which is what I had issue with. Not that Ziggy is wrong but the thought that anyone in the industry would consider her a legit theatre performer bearing in mind her really rather abysmal lack of any real talent, is pretty alarming to me. All she can really do is shout while sporting pink hair.

    However if I misread Ziggy's point, I apologise and claim the ungodly hour before work as my excuse!! :coffee:
     
  4. Ziggy

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    No, you're right.

    I guess the only reason she'd get any West End work would be because her name would draw the crowds in. At least in the next 6 months before everybody forgets about her. :D

    Of course in the pop world, the fact she can't sing could be covered up very well in the studio and she could mime her concerts. :p
     
  5. allezfred

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    Anyone else watching the results show or have we all just given up? :lol:
     
  6. SHARPIE

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    I havent watched the entire series but I watched last night and thought Amelia Lily and Little Mix should have been here tonight so Im all suddenly :cheer: for Little Mix :D
     
  7. Nadin

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    Afraid the results shows had no chance this weekend :lol:
     
  8. SHARPIE

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    Oooo reading back a bit, what? You all want Marcus to win? I thought he was shite last night! Anyway, as I said first time I've watched all series. I so got over X - Factor in 2008. Zzzzzzzzz Alexandra Burke another Leona Lewis clone who bored the shit out of me last night too :p
     
  9. my little pony

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    i like little mix best. but i have always liked a bunch of young girls standing in a row with some dodgy choreography warbling a tacky dance tune.
     
  10. allezfred

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    That was the weekend you were at ours. Wheeee. I'm still :eek: that I cried at the Beyonce/Alexandra duet. :lol:

    I didn't watch much of it last night, but from what I've heard it seems that most people thought Little Mix were better.
     
  11. SHARPIE

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    Oh yeah PML! She was good that night but by that season I was pretty disinterested anyway after the Rhydian/Leon travesty in 2007!
    I liked Ruth Lorenzo that year and JLS, so happy they have gone on to amazing success have no idea the last 2 years what happened but decided to watch the final this year.

    Wheee Coldplay! :D
     
  12. allezfred

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    Little Mix it is. Who would have thought? :lol:
     
  13. allezfred

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    Janet won first four weeks.
     
  14. antmanb

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    This is why i like Little Mix, and why I love Girls Aloud :lol:


    So did I :shuffle:

    And Marcus didn't win a single week.

    I've not had the chance yet to find the articles today but there must an article by now showing how the votes went for every act and what "could have been" if people weren't saved but it went on the public vote. (clearly Janet woudl have made the final if it had always been the public vote).

    I thought saturdays openers for each of the acts were rubbish. They all sang out of the tune. The duets for Gary and Tulisa were great I thought, Kelly and Amelia-Lily ruining river deep, mountain high was awful.

    Sundays show was much better but Marcus really wasn't on the ball and his version of canonball wasn't very good.
     
  15. nuge

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    Thank god it's over :scream:
    Talk about milking it it went on and on and on zzzzzzzz
     
  16. floskate

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    Meh I didn't even bother to watch the final both nights. Strictly has been eons better this season.
     
  17. Ziggy

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    Well, the final was totally shite.

    Without Misha B, it turned back into glorified karaoke.

    And talk about doing it on the cheap this year without proper celebrity duets. Such a shame that Louis didn't have an act left and we couldn't get to see him sing. ;D

    Thank god the wailing banshee got eliminated first.

    And I have to admit that Little Mix did perform better (although Marcus's "Higher and Higher" was excellent).

    But Damien Rice must be turning in his grave having to listen to his beautiful song being desecrated in this way (only he's alive :p).

    I felt like the backing tracks were very heavy in the final. Not taking risks. :p

    Interesting that it was very close between Little Mix and Marcus in the end, I expected the girls to win by a large margin.

    Looking at the results for the whole series, all I can say is :wall:.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X_Factor_(UK_series_8)#Results_summary

    As far as X-Factor alumni go, it looks like the gravy train is going to end very fast for Matt Cardle. Even faster than for Leon.

    Matt's second single failed to chart. At all. And the album is continuing its downward trend. Unless Syco can perform some miraculous turnaround (if they even attempt it), he's probably gonna get dropped soon.

    Joe McElderry's "Classic" sold well and retailers ordered 50,000 advance units of "Classic Christmas" expecting it to be a similar success.

    Big mistake. It flopped. Debuted at number 15 and slipped to 25 in its second week. Don't buy it and soon you'll be able to find it on sale. :p

    Rebecca Ferguson debuted at a respectable number 3.

    And finally UK isn't too enamoured with Kelly Rowland. Her album isn't exactly a big hit. Peaked at number 43 this week.

    So that's it.

    All over.

    Little Mix might do very well given the right material (they seem to have a huge fanbase). Hopefully Misha B is going to have a long career. The rest will surely get forgotten very quickly.

    And shall be replaced with new mannequins next year. :p
     
  18. allezfred

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    I'd say it's more likely he's laughing all the way to the bank. :bribe:
     
  19. Ziggy

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    An offer to earn more in the next two months than he has earned during his career so far was too good to refuse, yes.

    In addition to tons of money from publishing rights and royalties, you can bet his own version is going to chart too. And possibly the album as well.

    And the general public might realise he exists and he can get some concerts lined up. It's a chained reaction.

    Back to Matt Cardle, he was last year's winner and he had a new single out on December 5th. Still, he didn't get a performance slot during the final. Kinda proves that Syco has given up on him already.

    I think he should turn to porn now. :grope:
     
  20. nuge

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  21. Ziggy

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    Oh, Rebecca's "Heaven" actually shifted 128,000 copies in the first week!

    That would be enough for number 1 pretty much any other week this year. :)
     
  22. floskate

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    Being signed by Syco is like the kiss of death for almost every winner! Matt needs to suck this up, hope to get dropped sooner rather than later and find a label who will promote who he is as an artist and musician. Glad Ferguson's album is doing well. It's had excellent reviews I believe.
     
  23. Ziggy

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    Yep, Rebecca Ferguson's debut has been met with universal critical acclaim. All the reviews so far have been either 4 or 5 stars out of 5.

    It should be also noted that she co-wrote all the songs on the album.

    I've just finished listening to it. It's great. Each of the ten songs is very good and there definitely isn't any filler. And her voice (which admittedly a lot of people might not like) is very original and fits the kind of soulful music that the album contains perfectly.

    I really recommend it.

    To get a taste of it, here's the video to her first single "Nothing's Real But Love":
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViqCO35OfNU

    And here's a live performance of "Fairytale", one of the better songs on the album:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVKIbAzjKgQ

    Back to this year's X-Factor, what I found really dissapointing in the final was the cut-price decision to come back to one winner's song being pre-picked.

    It worked so much better last year with Matt and Rebecca having different songs, suited to them very well.

    This year it was a disaster, IMO. "Cannonball" didn't fit Marcus whatsoever and Little Mix kinda made it fit them but at the cost of destroying the song with a horrific, cheap arrangement. It was painful to hear.

    "Cannonball" would fit Janet Devlin perfectly. But not really any other finalists.
     
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  24. antmanb

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    I had totally forgotten about having different songs for the winners last year. It does make far more sense given that it is virtually impossible to find one song to suit a potential 5 or 6 people, or however many people are left when they pick the song.

    You're absolutely right, they must have picked the song with Janet in mind. It was the same with "the climb" that was much more suited to Joe than to Olly, and the same with Hallelujah - JLS's version was awful and they might have been going for a Jeff Buckley style for Eoghan Quigg (given he couldn't sing!) had he made it to the final 2 spot.

    I think this year might be enough to make me not watch next year....i'm ready to give it up and start watching strictly :shuffle:
     
  25. Ziggy

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    Given she won the first four weeks, it's very likely.
     
  26. Ziggy

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    Following the X-Factor final:

    En Vogue's "Don't Let Go (Love)" soars 62 spots to number 27.

    Both "She Makes Me Wanna" and "What Makes You Beautiful" increase sales.

    Damien Rice's "Cannonball" returns to the charts at number 19 (it peaked at 32 when originally released in 2009).

    Leona Lewis debuts at number 8 with "Hurt".

    "Paradise" jumps 5 places up to number 2. Their album rose 5 places to number 3. They make me sick. Chris Martin slated X-Factor numerous times, then said that the band is split about performing during the final and then said that X-Factor is very important and that they are honoured about taking part.

    And surprise, surprise Little Mix's "Cannonball" is number 1.

    But they've sold "only" 210,000 copies. Biggest week 1 sales of the year but way way less than Matt Cardle's "When We Collide" which sold around 350,000 units, IIRC. I think the problem here it's not the right song. Neither for them, nor for their target audience.

    I think the chances of them getting the Christmas number 1 are pretty much none.

    Popjustice hit the nail on the head. "How about an X Factor winner's single that isn't shit".

    On another note, Kelly didn't manage to conquer the UK. Her album peaked at 43 and is dropping. Given the huge exposure she got thanks to being a judge, it's a total failure.

    On yet another note, Jai McDowall's debut album has been released last week only you wouldn't have found out about it. Hardly any promotion, not even a video, nothing. Surprise surprise, it's a total flop debuting at number 54.

    Honestly, why bother spending all the money to produce it if you're going to pull something like that.

    And finally: LA Reid has signed "Crocodile Tear Evil Puppet" Cher Lloyd. So she has a record deal now and can unleash her shockingly bad novelty hits upon the poor, unsuspecting American public.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned, Cher's album is best summed up with:

    "Otherwise, with the wot-evaah mockney petulance, the rap-by-numbers braggadocio, the rote complaints about deficient boyfriends, and the half-hearted electro beats bashed out by the half-dozen different producers, this is about as generic as pop gets, the authentic sound of emasculated corporate teen fodder masquerading as rebellion." :p

    Yep, that's him.

    I found him super super hot back during his time on BGT. Rough bad boy looks. :grope:
    http://images.itv.com/images/bgt/626x352FFFFFF/_uploads/userassets/images/TX5/110513-p-jai.jpg

    But now they've metrosexualised him and he makes me limp. :p
    http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1607830242/jai-face.jpg
     
  30. haribobo

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    Where's that from? And what were you expecting from Cher, deep thoughts? Opera singing? Hard hitting political rock songs? I think the problem with music critics is that they want everyone to be the same, i.e.- exactly the one niche they like and nothing else. I like the Cher Lloyds and Britneys as much as the Chevelles and Mumford, Chester French, Mike Posner, Cage the Elephant, Bond, and Tori Amos and Dave Matthews, Beatles, classical, Rolling Stones- its all different but its all good in its own way. Cher is striving to be the best Cher she can be- and providing good fun music that always puts a smile on my face and is really great to get in a groove at the gym. So these critics will go on and criticize her lyrics and her beats and whatever else and go back to their Groban or Susan Boyle cds or whatever :blah:, I could really give a crap. Cause when you look at who is actually writing the reviews, its probably some judgmental idiot who watches Law and Order or Teen Mom all day. Just cause they have opinions doesn't make them good. But I'll respect your right to an opinion if you agree with them, since you are a skating fan and you must have SOME taste. Just seems like you are overly critical of everything. Which leaves me to ask: what DO you like? :slinkaway

    PS- love Olly Murs too, haters be damned!