Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by haribobo, Apr 7, 2012.
Over the top? I was pointing out your ridiculous nonsense.
Which is why his highest ever international scores were last season.
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How do you know Chan wouldn't have beaten his own record in Nice had he delivered his technical content like he did in Moscow?
Oh wait, I almost forgot you are one of those who seem to know everything.
And apparently one of those who don't believe in the force of argument but rather the force of insult.
Your thoughts of Chan in November last year.
My apology for going over the top. Respectfully yours, a Chantard.
Jeremy began his Worlds freeskate with a powerful quad. It was like he was saying, "OK judges, wake your a&&es up!" The audience certainly responded on cue. Then the axel combo, more applause. A spin, more applause. Another jump, more applause.
I feel that had he not made the errors, he would have had those judges and audience right in the palm of his hand.
So what does my post have about him being capable of matching his Canadian Nationals scores at an international event. Oh yeah absolutely NOTHING. Thanks for wasting your time. Except you already disprove jettasian`s clueless claim I am a Chan hater who never credits him with anything, so thanks. Only an idiot or someone who doesnt follow skating (which jettasian doesnt, she only watches Chan, then turns off the TV) thinks ANY top skater will match their National scores for the same performances, especialy with how Canadian and American Nationals score their top skaters. Only a far better performance will reach the same score.
BTW Chan`s short program at Nice was closer to clean than Moscow and scored much lower. In the free skate he basically had one mistake and didnt even reach 180 (and people still think he was overscored). So yeah not reaching his Moscow scores is a pretty safe bet. Never mind the fantasy of his Canadian National scores where he was already getting 90 point short programs back when he didnt even have a quad yet and was making mistakes (and would barely break 80 at Worlds back then for something simlilar).
Even if Jeremy had skated clean, I think he would have wound up 4th. Hanyu and Takahashi were on fire and both are as strong or stronger than Abbott in PCS.
Sheeesh even a Prediction Thread turns into a bickering feud about Patrick, why is that.
There are other skaters. I would like to see Jeremy and Kozuka skate their programs clean. Both are wonderful skaters that have beautiful stroking and blade work but the jumps failed them at Worlds. My dream would be to see these two skaters shine.
I learned a new word today, Chantard......
Before I joined this board, I had never seen "craptacular".
His highest scores were from last World because he was almost perfect last World, but not this World.
Your insults don't mean a thing to me. It just proves what kind of a person you are
Just so you know, go to Youtube, check out Chan's SP from Moscow (which was perfect), and his SP from Nice (which was NOT perfect). Compare them and then read your own post.
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All your posts prove that you are the most annoying ubering twat ever.
PLEASE STOP !
We understand you love for Chan, it's great you appreciate so much his qualities, he deserves lots of praise but you don't have to prove your love, every single minute, with a new post on FSU or other skating boards. Get a life!
jettasian and judgejudy, take it to PM or take a vacation. ENOUGH ALREADY.
That's probably true, but there are almost certainly psychological factors at work. Jeremy was in the next to last group. I suspect that causes judges to slightly low-ball PCS in favor of the last group. Also, well landed jumps make the non-jump elements look prettier. Botched jumps make the other elements look less pretty. Is that fair? Probably not, but that's the way it is.
Hanyu skated in the penultimate group as well, though.
I disagree. If Abbott skated his very best he could have beaten Takahashi on TES when Hanyu did even with a fall in the LP, and Takahashi's PCS werent even that high at Worlds. Hanyu bombed his short program and actually is weaker than Abbott in PCS and still got the bronze.
this is how i see the mens
Personally think Joubert and Amodio both would have been significantly lower than even the 4th and 5th they were if Worlds werent in France. They skated very well for them, but those PCS just wouldnt be happening anywhere else.
Joubert, yes, but that is the best he's skated in a LONG time so I'm not surprised his PCS were so much higher, though I agree outside France they would have been in the high 70s instead of low 80s, particularly with those programs. Flo however got PCS of 80+ for his FS at Euros which weren't in France and he didn't skate as well there either. Granted the scores at Euros were a bit inflated, but after his breakout season last season, it is realistic Flo can break 80 for his FS PCS. So they maybe each got a 2-3 extra points overall from Worlds being in France, not a huge difference. I was regarding to the FS only, saying that a clean FS from Jeremy would have been 4th behind Chan, Hanyu, and Dai. Jeremy's PCS for FS is usually around 80-81, same as Hanyu, but his jumps and spins aren't quite as good. Idk. It would have been close, but considering how well Flo and Brian skated, even if Jeremy had delivered, he might have been looking at 6th place versus 8th for underperforming IMO.
With the way the judges were scoring at Worlds and how they scored Jeremy's bad short program in PCS I have no doubt Jeremy would have received mid 80s easily for a clean LP at Worlds, maybe higher. Also a clean Jeremy would crush Joubert and Amodio IMO.
But that was not the question. He could have crushed Amodio and Joubert and still have come in 4th. It's a moot point anyway because he DIDN'T deliver and his odds at medaling at Worlds are just going to continue to get worse as he gets older and the field gets steeper. He had great opportunities to medal in 2010 and blew it, and similarly blew it here. I don't think it's going to happen for Jeremy at Worlds or the Olympics honestly, not now. If he even makes it to Sochi, he'll be nearly 29.
The thing I am bewildered is you are saying Jeremy at his best cant medal yet you were building up Miner's chances to medal at a Worlds in another thread. Do you seriously think Miner has a chance to medal vs competition that even Jeremy at his hypothetical best cant.
I voted for Chan, Takahashi, and Joubert; but I would love to see Kozuka surprise me!!
I didn't mean NOW. I meant Ross could medal in the FUTURE if he were to have a Lysacek-like transformation. Dai won't stick in past 2014 and I doubt Chan or Abbott will either, so yes, I could see someone like Ross medaling in 2015 and after if he continues to improve. Ross is on the upswing, and considering his age and continued inconsistency, Abbott is unlikely to get better between now and 2014, in terms of skating at least. But his skating isn't the problem anyways...
In other words, you think he can medal post-2010 with the likes of Chan, Takahashi, and Hanyu without a quad jump, with a hit or miss 3Axel that has very questionable technique, and arm flailing choreography? It's going to take a lot more than a Lysacek-like transformation yikes: BLECH!) to compete with the world's best and medal now if everyone skates to their potential.
I too agree, Jeremy has been given multiple times to medal at Worlds
and blew his chances everytime, this was his last chance at medaling in Worlds
like Alissa imo, but I don' see Miner as having good potential either, too bland and a hit or miss, the US future is with Brown who is an all around and to a lesser extent Farris who though not as good as brown jump wise or artistically but may improve
You think Farris is weaker athletically and artistically than Brown? I think both are artistically very well-rounded and Farris is definitely the better jumper. I prefer Josh over Jason at the moment.
I said post 2014 for one thing, and I more meant, if Ross continues to be a solid and consistent competitor, his PCS may shoot up a la Lysacek and he could wind up on World podiums, once Takahashi, Chan, and a handful of others are likely out of the picture.
?? Really? Jason with no 3a is a better jumper than Farris with his beautiful 3a? The artistry is debatable but Farris is clearly ahead of Brown in terms of jumps ATM. He beat a totally clean Jason at JW by 7+ points with a couple mistakes. When/if Jason gets a 3a, this could all change, but until then, Josh has my vote for the one to watch. He could make an impact on the senior stage as early as next season, his 3a is solid and beautiful, and he trains the 4t and tried it at Nationals so I'm sure we'll see him attempting it in the FS next season. Jason won't be a factor until he gets a solid 3a, and realistically he'll probably need a quad too. Also I personally think Josh and Jason are pretty evenly matched artistically right now, and if anything, I think Josh is more artistic, or at least I appreciate his artistry more at this point. Josh skates like a senior, whereas Jason is still very "junior" IMHO.
Just realize this competition will be in Japan....so obviously which team will have the advantage from the judges...
Does that mean you won't be watching?
It's in Japan ... I can imagine Takahashi could be placed above Chan if both skate like at worlds. Chan has never skated well in Japan. He was 4th last time? In fact, that was the highest ever score recoded without a 3A.
If the judges don't treat Takahashi with respect, it probably means they are finally dumping him and placing all the stakes on Hanyu. Either way, Chan could feel some pressure.
I really hope Abbott, Kozuka, and Rippon have performances they can be happy with. Good luck to all the competitors
Chan didn't skate well at the Japan Open, but he was the leading male skater there. He was seventh at NHK 2006. He wasn't at the 2009 GPF
Chan's PCS at Japan Open was a lot higher than Daisuke's. Team Japan was last at Japan Open so I don't think this event being in Japan means they will win. the Japanese skaters are all so inconsistent.
Actutally, Japan Open is known for relatively generous marks for "guest" skaters. Gachinsky had higher PCS than Kozuka (the world silver medalist representing the "home"). Amodio's PCS was very close to Kozuka. NHK trophy is the better comparison. At least in singles, they are always pretty much determined to let Japanese skaters win.
It will be on TV?
You seem to be so negative about Japan/Japanese skaters/Japanese audiences. Just chill, and enjoy all the skaters. Yes, Patrick is wonderful, but so are many other skaters.
This event was in Japan 3 years ago. Which team had the advantage from the judges?
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