WTT at the OLY question

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  1. johndockley92

    johndockley92 New Member

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    Will each nation send different skaters to the team event than they do at the normal event? IE if the US sends Abbot and Rippon to the Olympics in men, would they send a different man to compete in the team event? I'd rather see it that way, tbh. Only the deepest countries would be competitive and it would make it so that more skaters got a great opportunity and that the skaters competing individually would have less to prepare for.

    Anyways, I'm wondering which way it's going to be... And which way you think is better?
  2. Jemestone

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    I think the Olympic team comes from those who already qualified. So some people will just have to skate 4 times.

    ETA: I have no opinion on which way works best. I don't think a skater deserves a medal if they couldn't qualify for the main events though. I just think this whole thing is dumb.
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    What if a country doesn't qualify a skater in a discipline? For example, if Takahashi & Tran were injured at Worlds and/or the Olympic qualifying event, and the other team (if any) who competed didn't earn the spot? We already known T&T won't likely be able to compete themselves. Assuming Japan still did qualify a team I wonder if they would be allowed to send a pair who didn't qualify for the actual pairs event (and wouldn't be a substitute for it either).
  6. manhn

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    The day before? That sounds awful, particularly for the Russian skaters.
  7. Rob

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    I am surprised they get to try this "experiment" out at the Olympics, instead of at the World Championships.
  8. Visaliakid

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    If my memory serves me correctly Speedy made reference to the Team event in Sochi as a possible Mixed-Team format with qualified singles, pairs and dancers being put on different teams instead of the same format used in WTT. If that is the case, then just please scrap the whole idea as an olympic event. Makes no sense as the Olympic Movement is all about Nationalism and national teams competing against one another.
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  10. Fridge_Break

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    Good grief, this sounds like it's going to be a huge mess.
  11. Eislauffan

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    This only referred to the Youth Olympic Games. At the Olympic Winter Games, the teams will be formed from one country only.
    I think it is good to have a team event and thus giving more skaters an opportunity to win medals. However, the timing is bad. The team event should take place after the individual event. I think in most other disciplines this is the case.

    Ten teams will qualify according to the result of the World Championships 2013. All compete in the short program but only the top ranked five teams will compete in the free skating of the Olympic team event.
  12. Theatregirl1122

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    I can't think of anything it IS true for. Team is before individual in gymnastics, relays are interspersed with individual in swimming, I think in track cycling they are interspersed. Athletics the relay's are sort of at the end.

    And I don't see how "figure skating is just not a team sport!" makes sense. Gymnastics is a team sport and the only real difference between that and figure skating in this context is that people are used to gymnastics as a team sport.
  13. manhn

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    The difference between gymnastics is NOTHING in figure skating is as bad as the floor exercise. Gymnastics sucks!
  14. allezfred

    allezfred Prick Admin Staff Member

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    They are at the end and well after the individual events have finished. :)
  15. Andrey aka Pushkin

    Andrey aka Pushkin Brezina's Nemesis

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    Am I the only one who really HATES the WTT idea?
  16. carriecmu0503

    carriecmu0503 New Member

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    I am sure the athletes appreciate the chance to win another medal (or only medal!!) at the Olympics. This event may even be added to the world championships. It gives skaters more opportunities to win medals. I do not see how that can be a bad thing.
  17. pingu

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    Oh come on, don't be grumpy, it's FUN!!! :D
  18. MarieM

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    Well I don't dislike the idea, the thing is I don't think it's a good idea to add another competition for athletes who already are worn out after the olys ... But still it can be a nice way to make all countries go and developp all disciplines !
  19. FigureSpins

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    I didn't think I'd like it, but after watching online, I do think it's a nice way to incorporate team events into figure skating and give additional athletes a chance to be on an Olympic team. I could see each country's team having different skaters for this event than the other four disciplines, so the spectators could see different programs and skaters.

    My favorite part is the cheerleader section where the teammates wait and watch with flags and pompons. A little cheesy, perhaps, but I like the team spirit.

    The Synchro advocates hate the WTT idea being brought across to the Olympics because they'd rather see Synchro be included instead of this event. I can understand their point, but I don't enjoy synchro as much as I like the other disciplines, singles being my favorite.
  20. rfisher

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    If they're going to do this, I'd rather they drop the exhibition and use this in it's place and even let the skaters use their exhibition programs.
  21. Andrey aka Pushkin

    Andrey aka Pushkin Brezina's Nemesis

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    If they want to add another event for the figure skating, which is a good thing, I think it should be more like what they do in gymnastics: make a special team with special programs and separate competitions.

    Figure skating is an individual sport, and putting together rather random people sounds like a really stupid idea. Plus, the chances are it's going to affect the main competition.
  22. barbk

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    I like this event, but I do think that there are structural issues that are likely to bite Cinquanta and Co. given the very high chance that countries in the top ten may not have an Olympic-eligible entry in each discipline. I understand why the event was not held last year, but with such little experience under the belt they're taking on some risk in pushing it to the Olympics.

    I wonder if this is the first time some of these skaters have watched their competitors skate live in an actual competition?
  23. DimaToe

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    While I really enjoy the team work and fun environment being put out by some of the countries at WTT, I agree with you, for example, why not a just spinning or just jumping competition, Alissa would be an Oly champion :D
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    I am not following you at all. Gymnastics doesn't have a special team for the team event a.f.a.i.k. And you often (usually) see the gymnasts doing the same routines in both team and individual segments.

    Personally, I'm glad to see skaters get another chance to compete for a medal.
  25. Theatregirl1122

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    Yeah, by sort of, I meant that it was after the individual events for those participating in the relays but after all individual events in the athletics program which seems to be true, at least, of the London schedule.
  26. manleywoman

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    Meh. Skaters used to have to do figures too. Skiiers do multiple events, as do swimmers and many other sports. It's not as though they can't handle a few more run throughs.
  27. allezfred

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    It likes that at every athletics championships. Although the teams do have the option of letting a substitute/substitutes run in the preliminary rounds.
  28. Theatregirl1122

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    Yeah, the second part is true of swimming as well. Which, I suppose, wouldn't work for figure skating since I get the impression that the IOC wants to add this without adding very many more athletes (which is part of why this has more legs that synchro). I guess they could sub in one of their other qualified skaters, but that might be a little rude.
  29. JamieElena

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    I am liking the WTT. This seems a nice way to end the season and the prize money put up by/through JSF is great for the sport.

    I've always thot that since the introduction of IJS that there could be medals awarded for the highest scoring elements. Amanda & Mark would have one then too, :lol:

    While watching today I was thinking that more emphasis on artistry and less on tech would make this a better event. And if the event is going to be held before the individual events at the Olympics, all the better to do so, less risk of injury prior to the "real" competition.

    I can see their point, especially when Syncho Swimming is an event.
  30. Domshabfan

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    Your description sounds like Rhythmic Gymnastics Group event rather than Artistic Gymnastics team event.

    As for WTT I like the concept of team event but I hate the implementation. WTT looks like something Japanese Federation came up so that they can win it, and ISU happily agreed to the concept. How else could you explain 2 individual skaters in Men's and ladies event and just 1 pair and ice dance team. More like damage control in those event. I think ISU should organise it with the same rules as Olympics team event. I also hate the rules in place for team events at Olympics (that is whole other issue.:mad:).
  31. Frau Muller

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    I have no problem with the Team Event at the Olys if the skaters are the same ones who qualified for the traditional events (singles, pairs or dance). The problem for me would have been if the ISU would have made this a special 'cheesefest' of old stars who no longer compete in the regular events, even if they have officially maintained "eligibility" for years. Doesn't seem to be the case, thank goodness.
  32. skatak

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    In Nice Cinquanta held a conference where questions were mainly about the WTT at OG.
    For OG, you qualify individually given the results at previous Worlds + the rest of the spots from the B competition in the fall. I don't think it has changed ?

    For the WTT, the results from previous competitionS will be taken into account to select the top 10 countries : Worlds, Grand Prix, "and if necessary 4CC, Junior Worlds and Junior Grand Prix, but not the Grand Prix Finals" (I think i missed the mention of Euros).

    That selects 10 teams, made up with 1 entry in each discipline.
    After the short programs, the top 5 teams will advance to the long programs, with the possibility to change 2 entries (for example lady + dance).
    The top three after the LP will get medals (all the skaters of the team that participated will get one, even if they only skate a SP), team 4 and 5 will get "a diploma".

    This event will take place on the first 3 days of the Olys, day 1 being the day before the Opening Ceremony.


    (lol, should have read the artonice article, it's only a repeat ^^).

    Then, the usual individual events will take place.

    I guess it will be up to the countries to select the participants to the team event... I don't think it's only the skaters that are qualified for the indivivual events that can take part, since the qualification process is different.
    (I may not have been the only one to keep thinking, as it was explaining the procesx, 'sooo, will Joannie be able to skate at OG at the team event if she wants to ?).
  33. Visaliakid

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    :p

    :blah: Sorry, USA won this event in Tokyo in 2009... it is not made up just for Japan to win. Same format as in 2009 as well. Bogus arguments. :rolleyes:

    In Sochi there will be just one Man, one Lady, one Pair Team and one Dance Team. Go ahead and hate this... thankfully yours and others hate for this will not cancel it! So sit back and suffer all you like. Those of us who want to see this will enjoy it to the max! :D
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  34. Rob

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    I thought that there were issues with increasing the number of athletes going to the Olympics. If they let a country send a completely different team, it could more than double the # of skaters for that country.

    For some, it might be a good way to get rid of the Olympic ice jitters. For others, it could be a bit tiring (pairs usually kicks off right away doesn't it? and mens later in the first week?). It might be a good idea to change out the pair/mens between SP and FS. What if you've qualified only one in a discipline - maybe you get to send another one as a sub for the team event?

    But if you bomb, you get to go into your individual event knowing you let your team down for a medal. I guess the gymnasts/ relay team sports/etc. deal with that already.
  35. carriecmu0503

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    Countries MUST select from the skaters who are already qualified for the individual events, otherwise too many more athletes would be added to the Games. The only exception is if a country who qualified for the team event did not have an athlete qualify in a particular discipline for the individual event. For example, if France has a man, lady, and pair team in the individual events, but no dance team qualified, they would still be allowed to have that dance team compete in the team competition. Therefore, if Joannie Rochette wants to compete in the team competition, she would have to qualify to compete for Canada in the ladies' singles event.
  36. Rob

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    They might do a more safe routine for team, and add tricks for event finals, but the routine is basically the same.

    Plus, the team prelim is the qualifier for the other segments - won't work here.

    I am happy for a chance for more skaters to win medals (Worlds or Olympic). Might be the only way in the next few years that we'll see a US or Canadian lady, or a Russian man (besides Plush), or a Japanese dance team with a medal round their necks!!!!!
  37. Ziggy

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    Team Event.

    The Team Event at the Olympics.

    World Team Trophy and Olympics are two different skating competitions.
  38. Jemestone

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    ITA ;)
  39. Libertango

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    Are there even 10 countries which have World level skaters in every category? Judging from the results at Worlds this year :

    Canada
    USA
    Russia
    France
    Italy
    Germany
    China

    GB : had entries in all disciplines but the male skater did not make it out of quali.
    Switzerland : had entries but the dance team and male skater did not make it out of Quali.
    Japan doesn't have an eligible Pair Team (I checked and T/T seem to be the only pair at nats)
    Israel has no lady (what happened to Tamar Katz?) and Dance Team.
    Most of the other countries don't have a pair team.
  40. Rob

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    Bulgaria had all disciplines, but no qual.