Wrestling Eliminated from Olympics

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by GarrAarghHrumph, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    Can you name a professional golfer who fits that image? I honestly can't think of one.

    I do remember a few curlers with quite the beer bellies though.
  2. overedge

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    There is a wrestling program in my area that has produced several Olympic medalists - including some from small towns where wrestling was one of the few sports available or affordable. Obviously I am biased because of this, but wrestling should not be eliminated from the Olympics.

    Taekwondo, on the other hand, has had a number of judging skandals over the years, in addition to stuff like this: http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/6608.asp
    It should be kicked out before wrestling is.
  3. purple skates

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    John Daly, but I don't think he was that out of shape in his younger playing days. Of course, he's also not a successful golfer any longer, so there you go.
  4. Jenny

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    Apparently some people thought it was the one that was sure to go - this is from a Globe and Mail article in which the Canadian wrestling federation expressed their complete surprise:

    Mickelson is in better shape now, but he won a lot of tournaments when he looked like this.

    I think this is from around the time O'Meara won the Masters.

    Cabrera gets his green jacket here.

    And OK this one's kinda funny, but it's not too far from how he looked when he won his two majors.
  5. Jenny

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    I believe this is his hold the PGA Championship Cup, and this is from the British Open that he won.
  6. Skittl1321

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    Thanks for verifying the fat golfers :)
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    That says it all. Drop a sport where poorer countries do well and add a sport for the elite.

    I hate golf. In my country ancient and beautiful forests have been destroyed to build golf courses for a few hundred wealthy people to play. It depletes the water resources and chemicals must be used to keep the grass green at all seasons. It is a disaster for the environment.
  8. purple skates

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    :rofl: I guess I stand corrected!

    I still have a whole lot of respect for golfers, though. All that walking - and carrying your clubs if you are not a pro - plus the mental part of the game! (That said, not sure it should be an Olympic sport.)
  9. GarrAarghHrumph

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  10. Jenny

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    Oh I respect golfers too - the combination of skill, strategy and physical power (I'm talking the kind that hits a ball far, but also the kind that controls exactly where it lands) is marvelous to watch when it's done well.

    The other thing that's always interesting to me is that every course is different, and the conditions on that very day, even that very hour, play into the decisions a golfer must make along the way. And this is another reason why golf doesn't work for me as an Olympic sport. What's an Olympic regulation golf course? There are definitely Olys sports affected by weather conditions, but in most cases there are specifics for the physical playing field. But in golf, it varies by length, difficulty, grasses, hazards, links vs non links, etc.
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    which is probably why equestrian events are safe, since you need to accommodate for the horses for modern pentathlon anyway.

    btw transporting the horses is not a huge issue, people on the top level do that from time to time, the real issue I find is about the heat. Both Sydney, Athens and Beijing had heat issues with horses, I remember in Athens they had huge blocks of ice with fans next to blowing cold air over the horses to cool them down. London was more suited for equine athletes! In addition, Sydney and Beijing had issues with getting the horses into the country, Australia has very strict quarantine rules for any animal, and for Beijing they had to hold the equestrian events in Hong Kong.



    Do you ever watch UFC fighting? I understand that it is basically anything goes, but whenever I flip through it on TV it seems to be scantily clad men on the floor grunting and groping each other...
  12. Rob

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    This is ridiculous - wrestling is Olympic tradition.

    So golf brings Olympic sponsors, but now the host must have a world class golf course near the city.


    There are plenty of overweight successful professional golfers. In fact, some of them have lost weight and lost their game.

    Here's Craig Stadler (affectionately known as the Walrus) when he won the PGA Tour BC Open at age 50:

    http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2003/Jul/24/sp/sp16a.html He won the Masters and 27 other tour events at various lighter weights, but he was never svelte.

    A recent photo of Ernie Els: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/R7xOiTrSVHd/Volvo Golf Champions Day Two/0UASmDG-tmG/Ernie Els He's 24th in the World right now.

    Carl Pettersson - lost his game when he lost weight; starting winning again when he gained some back. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tour-report-no-34-carl-150302032--golf.html
  13. overedge

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    FWIW rowing has set course lengths, but doesn't recognize world records over those distances because of variables such as weather, wind, water temperature, time of day, etc.
    And that's also why there isn't a podium for medal presentations - everyone stands next to each other on the dock - to recognize the equal effort of all of the competitors.

    I know you said that there are definitely other Olympic sports affected by weather conditions, but there are sports other than golf that have figured out ways to at least recognize the potential inequalities.

    But I agree with you that golf is not an Olympic sport. It's elitist and it's destructive to the environment. I'm pretty sure that whatever city/country gets to host the first Olympics with golf in it will not have a course that is "acceptable" to the IOC, and will have to custom-build one.

    (But I bet there are plenty of IOC board members who would LOVE to go on a "fact-finding tour" and review :bribe: all the possible Olympic golf courses in contention....)
  14. Yehudi

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    I also would like to remove sports where many of the top competitors choose not to show up because they want to concentrate on other competitions. That means tennis (where Roddick didn't go to London to focus on his ranking), soccer, basketball, and probably golf. I can see many not going because it will conflict with the PGA championships. If the Olympics are not your goal, then it shouldn't be included.
  15. Jenny

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    Oh definitely - I was thinking of rowing, and recently I was looking up 100 metre records and was interested to see that wind conditions were noted for every record. The bigger deal is the course itself though I think.

    So on that point, as you said one might have to be built for the Olympics - so who makes the decision as to length, grass, hazards, links vs non links etc so that it's a fair playing field for all competitors?

    Someone mentioned this upthread as well - that the Olympic gold medal should be seen as the very pinnacle of the sport. Others where it is not - hockey (sure it means a lot, but for the best players, it's still about winning the Stanley Cup), I think cycling too, and I do agree that in golf, it's going to be one of the majors for most if not all golfers.

    I think an Olympic gold medal should mean that at that moment, you are the very best at that sport, and among the best to ever participate in that sport - the Usain Bolts of sport. Because of all the variables in golf, the best man might not be the winner that week. Unfortunately I also don't think that's always the case in skating.
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    But I thought in figure skating, Worlds is the pinnacle. And US Nationals.
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    Only truly fanatical Kwan-ubers think that. ;)
  18. overedge

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    Fair? This is the Olympics. Whoever has the most :bribe: gets to choose whatever will benefit the players from their country or get the most TV ratings establish a course that will challenge all players equally and uphold the great Olympic ideal of sportsmanship.
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    I'd be gutted if Equestrian was out of the Olympics to be honest I've always liked it as a sport as it is one of the few where men and women are equal.

    Wrestling being removed seems so wrong especially since 2004 women have been included in the program. Also there is nothing wrong with Field Hockey either. I don't believe they should add any new sports to the program especially not the ones they're currently considering.
  20. MR-FAN

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    Not even roller skating? I'd love this to be an Olympic sport :watch:
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    To counter the point of curling, to be a top level curler and get to the Worlds or Olympics these days, you darn well have to be in really good shape and be hugely physical fit to partake. A good friend of mine is an elite level curler and the gym regimen that he maintains is absolutely nuts, when they aren't on the ice, they're in the gym or doing some kind of physical fitness. Granted back in the day, you didn't have to be nearly as in shape but that's totally different today.

    I was just completely :eek: and :confused: over this decision. It makes absolutely no sense to me. This is a sport that people say, is relatively inexpensive to get involved in, has no more doping scandals than any other sport (yes there was one Uzbek wrestler who lost a medal because of it, but that was the only one), the stands were filled in London and as far as I could tell was no less popular than any other sport. Whether it comes down to politics or money, this is a sport that has been around since the Ancient Olympic Games. Then to put golf in? It baffles the mind, I doubt it will be readmitted but I can hope. Either way this decision is just wrong.
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    This decision is just messed up! It's one of the most equal sports there is - so many different countries sent competitors. It's a ridiculous decision. For golf and pentathlon? WTF?
  23. danceronice

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    "Dressage" is part of "Equestrian." The Olympic equestrian disciplines are show jumping, three-day eventing, and dressage. Reining (a Western discipline) would like to get in, but because despite a foray into Europe, especially Germany, it's still very American and Canadian it's a long shot. And the horses, as if they care, get ribbons. (Believe me, the horse doesn't care or have any idea about any prize it cannot eat.)

    And the horses couldn't do a thing in any of those without the rider. It's a lot harder than it looks to someone who's never ridden (or only ridden pony rides or trail rides for tourists.) Sadly, if they cut one of the equestrian events, it would most likely be the cleanest and cheapest for genuine ams to participate in, Eventing, where the horses are lower-priced and competitions are cheaper to enter at all levels. (Though the horse cost is a little disingenuous-at that level, you almost never own the horse you're riding, unless you're Reed Kessler and qualify on one you brought along.) But Eventing requires the most real estate to put on.

    I'm still not getting how BMX racing can be in the Olympics (X-Games, maybe) but they want to drop Wrestling? I mean, yes, I'd rather watch paint dry, but isn't that kind of one of the definitive Olympic sports?
  24. AragornElessar

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    Have you watched Curling lately? That might have been the case 25 years ago, but not now. Also, have you tried it? Trust me when I say you discover brand new anatomy parts of your body when you attempt to keep up to a rock, at speed *and* trying to stay just ahead of it while brushing at the same time.

    I'm just as pissed about this bone head move by the IOC, but taking pot shots at other sports isn't cool either.

    Other than Golf that is. Phil Mickelson won my respect forever when he came out saying he believes Golf has no place in the Olympics. He's right too.
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    Eliminating wrestling is just beyond baffling. Not only is it a sport with origins in the ancient Olympics, but with the growth of mixed martial arts and the success of wrestlers, kids and teens are taking an increased interest in amateur wrestling. So there may soon be a larger pool of wrestlers with Olympic potential, though, there have been some promising amateurs who turned to MMA to make a living. Also, wrestling added women's wrestling classes for the last three Olympics, so the criticism that it isn't egalitarian isn't applicable.

    It looks to me like the wrestling federation got blindsided at the vote, much like softball did a few years ago, when it thought it was safe and then got blasted because it was associated with baseball (and the IOC didn't like that Major League Baseball was refusing to let pros play). But it was absurd that wrestling was even in the mix for possible rejection. And yet badminton, which has been totally dominated by the Chinese and Koreans for years -- and was the subject of a major scandal -- doesn't even seem to have been in danger. Very baffling.
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  26. Yehudi

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    One of the articles I read brought up an interesting point. Pentathlon is willing to completely overhaul it's format and do anything to stay in. Skating and Gymnastics, for better or for worse, changed their scoring systems at the behest of the IOC. Wrestling at the higher levels seemed to be 1-0 matches where nothing happened for the first few minutes. Were they willing to change to make it more exciting?
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    Wrestling actually made changes as well, the matches are set based with best of three of 2 mins each. So an athletes at least need to score 2 points.
  28. Skittl1321

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    Every Olympic athlete has to be 'in shape' for the sport they do. What that shape is varies, and how beyond the needs of the sport people go probably depends on how competitive it is in that country to get on the team. Compared to other athletes, I still think it is possible for curlers to be -less- in shape. This is not to say that other athletes could curl well, I'm guessing it is incredibly difficult, much more than it looks when watching.

    Are "these days" that different from Vancouver? John Shuster (who medaled in Torino) is not the pinnacle of 'in shape' (his Olympic picture he looks more slender than some others on the internet where he has a double chin) and said in an interview with Stephen Colbert that he can't touch his toes. Now, touching your toes might not be a skilled valued in curling- but most people would think a 'fit' person could do that.
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    That's certainly a fair point, not every single curler is in the best physical shape humanly possible, but I would also argue that Shuster and his team in Vancouver had one of the worst records as well, was that due to fitness? Perhaps, was it just due to poor shot making? Perhaps, but generally, the teams who are doing the best today are the ones who are consistently in the gym, working on fitness, working on ways to get stronger, etc.
  30. Domshabfan

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    IOC decision to axe wrestling, the press release.

    IOC press office email address : pressoffice@olympic.org... I know that is probably now the correct email address to sent to but they will never the less the get the message.

    I really wanted Squash to be an olympic sport, now i will hope Wrestling get back at the next meeting in september.
  31. professordeb

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    This just feels horribly and terribly wrong. I actually enjoy watching the wrestling matches at this level (unlike the fake stuff that morphed into MMA). I believe a couple of things as has been posted here already, led to it being tossed.
    1) didn't think it needed to lobby to stay in compared to the others on the list
    2) didn't grease enough hands to stay in
    3) doesn't have enough sponsorship to bring in big $$$ for the IOC

    This just majorly sucks!

    BTW, I generally hate golf and bringing that elitist game into the Olympics is WRONG on too many fronts.

    Lastly, I still think that basketball is a winter sport and should be played in the Winter Olympics. Why should hockey have to shut down for a few weeks so it's "stars" can by Olympians but the NBA doesn't have to do likewise. Sorry for going OT, but it's been a beef of mine for years.

    Back to being ticked off about wrestling being eliminated.
  32. Skittl1321

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    MMA is fake?

    Most NBA owners don't want their players playing in the Olympics at all, even in the off season (because an injury there will end up costing THEM big bucks), so there is no way they are going to get them to play during the regular season. I've never considered basketball to be a winter sport though, I guess now that it is an indoor game, but kids in our neighborhood can't play right now- the court is snowed over! It is a summer sport to them.
  33. purple skates

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    Two people have now called golf an "elitist" sport. It is not elitist. Expensive, yes, but it is accessible to anyone who wants to play it - and there are often programs for kids who families cannot afford the equipment to be able to play anyway. My son will be playing golf in college, and I can assure you (being a skater myself) that it has cost me far less to prepare for him to play golf at the college level than it would have cost me to prepare a figure skater to skate at, say, a regional level. I would argue that figure skating is far more elitist than golf, being more expensive and less accessible to lower income people and the general masses.

    One more thing about golf, and I will let it drop. Someone upthread said that golf damages the environment, and this is not completely true. Yes, they use pesticides etc, but they also often participate in environmental programs and take pride in being good environmental stewards.
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    Just curious, is there any other sport that needs as much prepared space as golf? I guess skiing and bobsled?

    If anything is not environmentally friendly its alpine skiing, but you hear this about golf but I've not heard it about skiing.

    I think we all know about the cost and environmental impact of skating. :shuffle:
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    And yet we still have the 2 country monopoly that is Women's hockey? :confused:
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    In all the reaction to this, I haven't heard any that isn't WTF. This is a real shame.
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  37. professordeb

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    I didn't mean that MMA was fake, just the "pro" wrestling from which I believe it spawned. The stories my parents would tell us of when they went and watched wrestling. Of course, at that time it wasn't as bad, but bad enough. Anyone remember "the Skeik"? How about "Hulk Hogan"?

    Sorry, I detoured again. Getting old and reminiscing seems to happen a lot ... some days :D

    As for the NBA -- I just don't find it fair that one league's players don't have to stop league play in order to participate in an Olmpics while other leagues do.
  38. overedge

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    MMA actually came out of martial arts, hence the name. Professional wrestling is doing its best to pretend that MMA doesn't exist.

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    I think golf is more boring than watching paint dry and building courses in parts of the world where there is a shortage of water is criminal, but the irony of people complaining about elitism, expense and environmental damage on a figure skating forum is :lol:
  40. GarrAarghHrumph

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    What were his reasons for not wanting golf in the Olys?


    Re: wrestling - my grandfather is likely rolling over in his grave right now. He was on the US Oly team for wrestling back a zillion years ago.