Wrestling Eliminated from Olympics

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by GarrAarghHrumph, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    The IOC has voted to eliminate wrestling from the Olympics. To be honest, I am shocked. Wrestling is one of those sports where multiple countries tend to win medals, where many countries, including countries that don't have a ton of money for sports, do well. Why a sport with such a big international rate of participation? If they were going to get rid of something, why not cycling, with its apparently wide-spread doping?
  2. Yehudi

    Yehudi Well-Known Member

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    Utterly ridiculous. It's more popular than modern pentathlon in terms of spectator appeal and participation, there haven't been too many doping scandals that I can think of, and it's not dominated by one country. And it's been in the Olympics since Ancient times.
  3. BlueRidge

    BlueRidge AYS's snark-sponge

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    Not that I follow wrestling, but I read this and was completely mystified. Wrestling seems like a quintessential Olympic sport to me. What is this about??
  4. Fridge_Break

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    Wrestling is dropped and GOLF is added for 2016? WTF??
  5. DarrellH

    DarrellH New Member

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    There are some countries that send athletes for only this sport.
  6. Mayra

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    My guess? The bottom line $$$.

    What a shame. :(
  7. Jenny

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    I wonder about cost. Perhaps it's not popular with the broadcasters (but then again, if you don't show it, it's not going to be popular), or ticket sales are an issue (but aren't Olys tickets often sold in blocks with multiple events?), but as for staging it, I would think it's among the least expensive sports. It doesn't require a dedicated facility, and the only staging is the flooring, no? No equipment costs, no lights/sound (ie skating, gymnastics), no facilities management (ie snow sports), etc.

    The whole thing sounds rather arbitrary to me, and the one criteria that should be most important (although I recognize issues of cost, revenues etc must be considered) is the original ideal of the Olys: higher, faster, stronger. I'm no wrestling fan, but there are a lot of events I'd ditch before it.
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  8. Domshabfan

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    I would have thought they would axe Taekwondo before Wrestling but then again it is good to have a string sponsor like Samsung on your team. Really sad day for Olympics program.
  9. BlueRidge

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    Maybe that's it? Not the cost of staging but the lack of sponsorship interests?
  10. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

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    I don't watch wrestling, and I'm not hugely invested in the summer Olympics, and I'm still shocked and kind of angry about this.
  11. Mayra

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    That's what I meant by the bottom line. Sure wrestling might not cost much to put on, but it probably isn't bringing in much revenue either. Nor would it bring the kind of revenue some of these new Olympic sports are going to bring in. Golf pretty much comes with big name stars built in. This amounts to increase ticket sales, publicity, sponsorship opportunities and other revenue they just weren't getting with wrestling.
  12. BlueRidge

    BlueRidge AYS's snark-sponge

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    That makes sense. But. Golf. is. not. an. Olympic sport! :drama:

    (Nothing against golf, neither is baseball!)
  13. Domshabfan

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    Wrestling has no shortage of sponsors but non of them are IOC sponsors, i think wrestling has any sponsors issue at all, I would surely like them to publish IOC findings and what lead to this IOC decision. A big giant like Samsung surely can save Taekwondo, otherwise it make no sense... a sport which had to limit the number of entries in the sport per country so that a country outside of south korea will get a sniffing chance at the gold medal. Teakwondo usually has more controversial decision can think... this is IOC at its worst behaviour...
  14. AYS

    AYS Cruder than you thought

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    It's one of the sports that has its roots in the Ancient Greek Olympics! Really bad decision!
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  15. Skittl1321

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    Everything I have read says that wrestling will be judged against the sports looking to gain entry into the Olympics, so it is highly unlikely, but it supposedly could still be in.

    I wonder is female participation part of the decision? That seems to be the reason to keep cycling (which is a ridiculously doped sport, and doping was supposedly part of the decisions- it seems most of the females ride clean.)


    Locally, wrestling is HUGE- so people are really up in arms. But I find it kind of funny, because during the Olympics there were these massive campaigns about the rules- because it isn't the kind of wrestling done around here.
  16. manhn

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    I don't get this. Not only do a lot of countries participate in the sport, a lot of countries actually do well in it on an Olympic level. I don't follow it outside the Olympics but unlike a lot of those other "mat sports", I understand what is going and why a competitor scored a point.
  17. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    I've also read that it would be nearly impossible for it to get back in so soon after being cut.
  18. MR-FAN

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    I'm someone who is not very interested in wrestling, never watched it, and is still pissed at this decision. I'm sorry, some events must remain sacred when it comes to the Olympics regardless of how popular they are, and to me those include sprinting, marathon, swimming, weight lifting and yes, wrestling. I mean really??? They keep field hockey and cancel wrestling??? What a bunch of morons. Everyone voting probably just went with sport their country is least likely to medal at or which brings in the least amount of money

    Just reading about the voting process makes you realize how stupid it was. Good job IOC, way to alianate nations with barely any sporting legacy besides wrestling.

    I'm kind of shocked at how angry this news made me :shuffle:
  19. Jenny

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    Again, if it's not popular enough then maybe the IOC and their broadcasters need to put more effort into promoting it, and educating Olys fans on its finer points.

    I for one would rather see more medal events and less heats and qualifying rounds, which would give opportunities to more sports to get recognition.
  20. DarrellH

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    Shooting.
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    I can't stand wrestling and you could probably not pay me to watch it but it is one of the ancient Olympic sports, isn't it? This seems completely wrong. People win Olympic medals for riding horses and shooting guns but wrestling doesn't fit the bill? I guess I am part of the problem by not caring about the sport but it isn't as if I can EVER remember seeing it on television and I watch everything that is on during the Olympics.
  22. Jenny

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    I do wonder about sports that are more about accuracy than athleticism and the higher/faster/stronger motto. I always liked the combined event of cross country skiing and shooting, but for other shooting events, what's next? Darts? Billiards? Horseshoes?

    I realize there's a lot of skill involved and some level of specialized fitness, but anything where you can compete at a high level and still be out of shape doesn't seem to fit into the spirit of the Olympics to me. (I'm looking at you, curling!)
  23. love_skate2011

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    WTF, one of the original ancient Olympic sports taken out ! :mad:

    why cant they remove ping pong, equestrian, handball , shooting and dressage !!
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    Washington Post Article
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    A form of full contact Martial Arts.

    Wushu

    Do we not already have enough MA sports in the Olympics?
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    Interesting guess Darrell. :lol:
  29. GarrAarghHrumph

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    It just makes no sense to me that they'd eliminate a sport that is so, in a way, egalitarian. Many, many nations do well in this sport, even nations that have very few, if any, other elite athletes compete at the elite level in wrestling.

    The sport, relative to many, costs very little to get involved in, and it has such a long history. That it was even one of the finalists to be eliminated shocked me. Then to learn that it had been chosen for elimination!
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  30. maatTheViking

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    of those listed, I only see wrestling and sport climbing as good Olympic sports. Karate or Wushu would be fine if they chuck taekwondo - but I think you can only have so many martial arts, and wrestling seem to be very basic to me.

    Shooting and possible curling is the only sport where I think you can participate and 'not be fit' as someone said. If you think you can do equestrian or Ping-Pong without being fit you will be sorely mistaken.

    I would personally be very sad if they remove equestrian, as I am a rider myself, but on the other hand, it is an extremely elitist sport (top horses can run in double digit millions, you will most likely need a sponsor good sponsor. Very few ride on their own horses, though some do), it is almost always the same 4-5 nations on top, with about a 7-10 nation spread for all the disciplines together. It would be extremely hard for any nation to start a program for this, it is just so damn expensive, and so hard to get good training opportunities.
    In addition, it can be a real headache for the organizers, it is a very expensive event to put on.
    It is, however, an excellent para Olympic sport, and that might be why it is pretty safe. Is wrestling possible at the para Olympics?
  31. Jenny

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    In principle, I don't mind equestrian sports because it's almost like a pairs team - two athletes working together. But you're right, it's a very expensive sport (then again, the same could be said for anything that requires expensive equipment and training), and how many countries participate?

    The bigger issue is the horse though - they need to be transported in special planes all over the world. I'm sure they are treated well, but it doesn't really seem like something that would be traumatic for the animals.

    Also, golf would be another one where you can win without being fit. There are certainly some strong golfers, but there are a lot of chubby golfers and guys that don't look particularly fit too.
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    my beef with a sport involving horses is that the horse gets much of the physical strain yet it gets no medal of recognition
    dressage or equestrian should give the medal to the horse not the human !
  33. Buzz

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    Disgusting and utterly disappointing. Hope they change their minds but never worry; golf is back! (Sarcasum)
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    Have you seen some of those curlers lately? They're hot!
  35. BlueRidge

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    What are the 25 sports that are included in the Summer Olys?

    One thing to me is that for Oly sports the Olys should be the pinnacle. This was true of wrestling but isn't for all the other sports.
  36. Skittl1321

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    Aquatics, Archery, Athletics, Badmington, Basketball, Boxing, Canoe/Kayak, Cycling, Equestrian, Fencing, Football (Soccer), Golf, Gymnastics, Handball, Field Hockey, Judo, Rowing, Rugby, Modern Pentathalon, Sailing, Shooting, Table Tennis, Taekwando, Tennis, Triathalon, Volleyball, Weightlifting, Wrestling are what are listed on Olympic.org. This is obviously more than 25.


    (It lists 7 winter sports: Biathalon, Bobsled, Curling, Ice Hockey, Luge, Skating, and Skiing.)
  37. Garden Kitty

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    Lots of discussion that Samaranch's son being VP of the modern pentathlon federation (and a member of the IOC) helped keep that sport in. The number of countries who participate in modern pentathlon at the Olympics is a lot fewer than the countries that send wrestlers.

    Personally, I never enjoyed watching wrestling and the rules were sort of confusing, so I'm not too upset, but it does seem wrong that one of the original Olympic sports is kicked out like this. I also don't like sports in the Olympics for whom the Olympics isn't really the biggest event. That's why even though I'm a cycling fan, I wouldn't mind if it weren't included.
  38. purple skates

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    Not at the professional level. These guys are walking four miles every day, plus swinging the club, lifting weights, etc. What they do isn't an aerobic exercise, but you cannot be out of shape and be a successful pro golfer.
  39. Jenny

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    I'm just going by the number of golfers I see with noticeable paunches, double chins and flabby arms. I'm not saying it's not hard work, but when I think of an "athlete" golfers are nowhere near the first that come to mind.

    Related question - whatever happened to the idea of amateur sport? Is it just too hard to draw a line anymore, now that just about everyone has sponsors, and to be competitive, you pretty much have to train/compete full time?
  40. allezfred

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    Modern Pentathlon is also the brainchild of Baron de Coubertin, the father of the modern Olympics. It's going nowhere.

    I'll be :drama: if wrestling gets kicked out. It's the only time its socially acceptable to watch sweaty and scantily clad grown men engage in mild frottage on daytime TV. :grope: