worst ever freeskate by a leader after the short program

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  1. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

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    Could be a short program winner, or going further back a figures winner, or leader after combined figures+SP or combined qual round + SP.

    For pairs, it will just be the short program winner.

    Feel free to include skaters who were 2nd or 3rd going into the free but then fell far short of medal contention.


    So who started strong and then really bombed the last part of the competition?

    Or was lucky to win the earlier round because others bombed, or because that phase especially played to their strengths, but didn't have the overall skill level to maintain the lead even with a relatively successful skate for their level?
     
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  2. kwanatic

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    The most disastrous FS I've seen recently was Hae-Jin Kim of Korea two seasons ago. Though most don't pay attention to the JGP, she was leading after the SP but fell four times in the FS and plummeted in the standings. It was pretty sad...
     
  3. Seerek

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    In terms of World Championships and/or Olympics:

    Men

    1984 Olympics: Scott Hamilton
    1986 World Championships: Alexander Fadeev

    Ladies

    1979 World Championships: Anett Pötzsch
    1982 World Championships: Kristina Wegelius
    1987 World Championships: Kira Ivanova
    1988 Olympics: Debi Thomas
    1990 World Championships: Natalia Lebedeva
    1993 World Championships: Nancy Kerrigan
    1995 World Championships: Nicole Bobek
    2006 World Championships: Sasha Cohen
    2010 World Championships: Mirai Nagasu
     
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  4. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Gold: 2013 Worlds- Patrick Chan
    Silver: 1986 Worlds- Alexander Fadeev
    Bronze: 1990 Worlds- Viktor Petrenko


    Ladies:

    Gold: 1993 Worlds- Nancy Kerrigan
    Silver: 2006 Worlds- Sasha Cohen
    Bronze: 1979 Worlds- Anett Potzsch
     
  5. Clay

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    Josee Chouinard, 1996 Canadian Nationals. She was the favorite going in, with no one else to challenge her if she pulled off about 3 triples. She got in one triple: the final triple lutz.
     
  6. Rock2

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    Josee's skate in 1996 and Kerrigan's skate in 1993 were the two worst.
    For Josee this was a competish she could have even just glossed over on her way to world's and back to 1998 Olympics. Instead, just a flurry of horror.

    Kerrigan's was sad for a different reason. The look on her face was as if her entire world was unravelling and she was helpless to fix it. It was a look of sheer bewilderment mixed with panic. You just knew what was going on in her mind.
     
  7. Kwantumleap

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    Nancy's 93 Worlds LP was a hot mess...
     
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    Laura Lepisto at 2007 Skate Canada
     
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    Daisuke Takahashi was third after the short at the 2004 Trophee Eric Bompard. He was only able to manage SEVEN points more in the free skate (71 points tells you the quality of the skate), and fell four times. He dropped all the way to 11th (last) place.

    Separate discussion, but I can't think of another skater who has had such a close score between segments in one competition since IJS has been around.
     
  11. Sasha'sSpins

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    Nancy Kerrigan's meltdown at '93 Worlds is the first that comes to mind.
     
  12. Vash01

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    What about Michelle Kwan at the 1997 US nationals? I think she was first after the SP (correct me if I am wrong) but had a disastrous LP and finished second to Lipinski.
     
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    Anna Ovcharova at 2011 JWC. Her SP was fantastic, beating Kanako, but then in the FS she fell twice and the jumps that she did land were all shaky and wonky looking except for the double axels. It was pretty sad, I wanted her to medal so badly, but she was 8th in the FS and wound up 5th overall, and honestly was lucky to have not dropped any lower than that.

    Also DeeDee Leng at 2009 junior nationals. She won the SP, then was 3rd in the FS, but all the ladies were really off that night. Kawamura won the FS with only 3t, 3s, and some doubles, and Gao was 2nd in the FS with 3 falls and low PCS. Leng managed to win somehow, but it was pretty unusual.
     
  14. pinky166

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    Anna Ovcharova at 2011 JWC. Her SP was fantastic, beating Kanako, but then in the FS she fell twice and the jumps that she did land were all shaky and wonky looking except for the double axels. It was pretty sad, I wanted her to medal so badly, but she was 8th in the FS and wound up 5th overall, and honestly was lucky to have not dropped any lower than that.

    Also DeeDee Leng at 2009 junior nationals. She won the SP, then was 3rd in the FS, but all the ladies were really off that night. Kawamura won the FS with only 3t, 3s, and some doubles, and Gao was 2nd in the FS with 3 falls and low PCS. Leng managed to win somehow, but it was pretty unusual.

    Also Kiri Baga at 2010 Jr. Nationals. Agnes easily won, but Kiri was 2nd going into the FS then fell 3 or 4 times and finished 4th and only just barely, getting beaten by Lindsay Davis and being something like 9th in the FS or something. Yikes.
     
  15. cbd1235

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    Wow poor Daisuke, that's a rough program :S

    JJ goes in and brings up Chan (expected; the "in thing" to do lately is bash Chan), although his performance at worlds wasn't THAT bad that it should be mentioned here, or at least it shouldn't be mentioned as the worst one. Others have done much worse :p
     
  16. gkelly

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    I guess we could have a subcategory: worst freeskate by a leader after the short program that was lucky enough to hang on for a gold medal

    Which other gold-medal-winning programs have been mentioned so far? Hamilton 1984 Olympics . . . any others?

    Lambiel 2005 comes to mind. He did win the freeskate (as well as the SP and qual round) thanks to everyone else having problems as well.
     
  17. michiruwater

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    Someone already brought up Chan's skate this year at Worlds.
     
  18. Erin

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    Lepisto at Skate Canada 2007 and Kerrigan 1993 Worlds were the first that came to my mind for international competitions. Kerrigan's is particularly bad in that it is one of the few pre-COP/post-figures occasions where the leader after the SP hasn't at least hung on for a medal. It seems to be a lot more common under COP, where the TES scores are somewhat less subject to protocol judging.

    I recall a couple of bad ones at the junior level at Canadians. In 2009, Ronald Lam led after the SP and dropped to fourth overall with a 10th place free skate. The same year, Alexandra Najarro led the junior ladies SP and dropped to 8th after the free, with a 16th place in the free itself. The 1-16 combo is probably the biggest difference I've ever seen. I had thought there was a third example involving Ashton Tessier but it turns out that she finished 2nd in the SP at 2004 Canadians in junior ladies leading up to her 15th place free skate that had her 11th overall.
     
  19. leafygreens

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    Even though she wasn't leading after the SP, Czisny's '12 World's FP was the worst skate I've seen. Just a tragedy from beginning to end.
     
  20. briancoogaert

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    Mine also, and ITA about Kerrigan ;)
     
  21. DORISPULASKI

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    Since we're including skaters who weren't leaders after the short, Laetitia Hubert was memorable at the 1992 Olympics. She dropped from 5th in the SP to 15th in the LP with an utterly horrible LP.

    Of the medalists, Nancy's 1993 world LP was memorably disastrous.
     
  22. Erin

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    In the subcategory, there are lots of examples from Canadian Nationals - Kurt Browning in both 1990 and 1991, Sebastien Britten in 1995, Sale & Pelletier in 2002, and both Orser and Manley in 1988 immediately come to mind, but I'm sure there are others. I think this is partly because the field is often just not deep so the second place finisher has a lot of ground to make up, and partly because Canadian judges tend to protect their champions. Oddly, the one time that they didn't protect the champion (the afore-mentioned Josee Chouinard in 1996 incident), I actually thought they should have. Josee was awful, but no one was really any better. Jennifer Robinson also had several mistakes in the free (including at least one fall) and her basic skating was miles behind Josee, but I think at that point the judges were just happy to see someone skate with a little bit of aggression and gave it to her.

    One other example that's a bit of a stretch, but at 2005 Canadians in London, Meagan Duhamel had solid SP in both ladies (3rd in the SP itself, lower overall with qualifying) and pairs (4th), which were followed by disastrous free skates in both events. She fell 5 times in ladies and dropped to 7th, and I believe 3 or 4 falls in pairs, dropping to 8th.
     
  23. JockProf

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    Kerrigan in 1993 was pretty awful. Wegelius in 1982 was also sad - she only needed to finish 4th in the long program to win the world title and could not accomplish that.
     
  24. LilJen

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    I remember Verner being barely more than 2 points off the lead after the SP at 2008 Worlds. Only one fall in his LP (4t) but the score was 112. Popped axel, sal, and lutz, for 20th in the free and overall finish of 15th.

    2010 Olympics Carolina Kostner had done OK in the short (7th and 10 pts back from Mao's 2nd, 15 from Yu-Na's lead--there were only 3.5 points between 3rd and 10th) but bombed the long--3 falls, a 1a-2t combo. I guess I remember more pops than that. She was 19th in the LP and 16th overall.
     
  25. olympic

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    I was thinking Nancy Kerrigan at '93 Worlds, but Mirai at '10 Worlds was probably worse
     
  26. judgejudy27

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    I believe Kristofics Binder who was 4th in the LP landed 2 triples. I dont know if Wegelius was even capable of landing 2 triples.
     
  27. smarts1

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    I disagree. Mirai landed half her jumps to the very least (the flip, the 2x-3toe, the loop, and the final toe--kind of). Nancy landed almost no triples cleanly, besides two triple toes.
     
  28. N_Halifax

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    I actually rewatched Nancy's FS and the only triples that were clean were those 2 toe's. She popped her first lutz, doubled the second, 2 footed the flip... and so on.
     
  29. Fudove

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    The worst FS that I saw live was Carolina Kostner 2009 in LA-- I still tear up when I watch it. She had incredible grace in her disappointment.
     
  30. RFOS

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    Michael Weiss's FS at 2001 Nationals was absolutely disastrous. He was 5th in the free skate was lucky to be that high-- I remember being really annoyed by the fact that he beat a nearly clean Johnny Weir in the FS.